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procrastinatingDestiny Level 6 CPU
875 DestinyIntwined
| Subject: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:59 am | |
| The game Undertale has grown quite spontaneously (at least in my view piont) poppingup everywhere on youtube but it is quite famous for a lot of it's features but espeacially one, it is the first RPG game where there are three branching paths, one where you kill every last character (Genocide Run), one where you slip up (The Neutral Run), and the only way to get the true ending, not hurting anyone (Pacifist Run), yes you heard me. The only way to get the true final boss is to not kill any character.Another thing is this games story is complicated. I know I should stop posting character suggestions for games I haven't played but trust me, I actually researched this on, a lot. (Also if you haven't played the game, don't ruin it for your self like I did pick it up on steam for like $10, anyway, I am going to be telling the story, the entire story and all of the lore that I have picked up. So without further ado) - Mass Spoiler Alert:
Before the events of Undertale, on our planet, two races lived in peace, The monsters of all shapes and sizes and traits, and the Humans. Peace was had for awhile do to one law that governed both races. I a human gave their soul up to a monster or a monster killed a human the monster would absorb the human soul and become all powerful. Another thing was that when a human dies it can live on in this world as a soul that can posess objects as seen by the dummy in the sewer area of the game. Monsters however cannot their souls last for a few seconds before breaking. Their are exceptions such as Muffet, Megaton, Sans, Papyrus, Toriel, Asgore, Undyne, and Alphys These are the eight boss monsters seen in the game. Each you fight on different paths. These monsters can sustain their lifes due to them containing one of each part of the Human soul. The parts of a human soul are as follows Bravery, Integrity, Determination, Justice, Kindness, and Patience. As a war raged from the humans versus the Monsters 6 mages came upon the Monsters and sealed them underground. It is said that only the power of 7 Human souls can free the monsters. This is Chara, a human in the beggining of the game you name her and through the entire game, you are called by her name. On ething is for certain she is an entirely evil being. Before the evnets of Undertale but after the war, Chara climbed a tall mountain and found a deep fit by accident she fell down into the pit and ended up in the land of Undertale. right where she fell down the King and Queen of the Monsters lived Toriel and Asgore Dreemurr and their son Asriel notice howhe isn't a boss monster he cannot sustain his soul after death. Now the King and Queen adopted Chara showing her nothing but kindnessand she showed that back to them. To her adopted brother she was rude, mean, and forceful. She made him gather the wrong ingredients for a pie for Asgore when he ate it he became nothing more then ill. Yet Chara now had a plan, she would make Asriel gather the ingredeints again, but this time for her. She comitted suicide and died in Asriel's arms, now Chara made her soul be absorbed by Asriel and could now communicate with him. He asked where to put the body and she told him about a human village. When hetook her body their, the locals thought that he had killed hed and immediately attacked him as this was happening Chara tried to take over the body but failed as Asreil had done no wrong, as he was stabbed again and again he looked up at the locals and smiled. He walked back to the Underground went to his father's arms and looked at his parent's faces smiling as he turned to dust. The king and queen now losing both of thier children were distraught but the king too this another way telling his people that they would get out of the underground and be free by harvesting 7 souls of humans. To the king this was propoganda but the queen would not hear it. She left taking nothing but the flower that Asreil picked to bury Chara with and left to their original home. She planted those flowers at the bottom of the pit, the first place the players see when they awake underground she also took Chara and buried her under the flower. Now with all the lore out of the way let's start our tale. This is Frisk, they are the main character of Undertale and is the Hero/Villian of the world. They have three paths to choose with each path affecting each character one path saving every character, and another killing all, and lastly a path that saves only you. Through this all Frisk meets many characters including all six boss characters (Asgore, Toriel, Alphys, Sans, Papyrus, and Undyne) Metatton, Muffet, and Flowey. Befriending or killing them off, but only two characters partially remember the shifting timelines, Flowey through the entire game and Sans as shown during his fight at the end of the Genocide run. There are actually four final bosses though, Omega Flowey, Asgore Dreemurr, Asriel Dreemurr, and Sans. They are either killed or befriended by Frisk and either way are affected by Frisk.
Regular: Punch, Punch, Kick Side: Slap Up: Uppercut Down: Downwards Kick Side Smash: Bonetruosle (Like Ness' Bat a quick charge then a major hit, if it's blue when the opponent stands still the attack won't hit) Up Smash: Ghost Fight (Tears Upwards if held down for the duration that the top hat is created hat will be kept and opponents won't be able to hit from above.) Down Smash: Battle Against a True Hero (Quick spears rain down in front of Chara/Frisk) Neutral Air: Death by Glamor (Raining Mettaton fall to the ground) - Mettaton:
Side Air: No Mercy (A mercy bar shows up and is quickly destroyed by a red spear.) - Mercy Bar:
- Red Spear:
Back Air: No Mercy Up Air: Bergentruckung (don't try yo pronounce it) (A flurry of spear attacks upwards) Down Air: Heartbreak (A hail of fire rains down) Neutral Special: Dumy! (Scribbles are fired from your being) - Magic Attack:
The scribbles are the magic attack...
Down Special: Spears of Justice (A giant spear hurtles to the ground) Up Special: Spider Dance (A giant Spider carries you up hurting foes) Side Special: Dogsong (An annoying dog leaps at the opponent) Final Smash: Hopes and Dreams: - Hopes and Dreams is a Final Boss Song:
(Toriel, Asgore, Alphys, Undyne, Papyrus, and Sans come together and protect you from Asriel as the stage is inclosed in a big box in which a bullet hell minigame ensues in which the fighters have to avoid all attacks from Asriel Dreemurr the angel of Hyperdeath. Blue shots if you stay still will not hurt you.)
Megalovania: - Megaloania is a Final Boss song:
Sans standing his ground attacks the entire arena trying to attack you but can't hit you no matter what. No Invincibility frames just basically lingering damage (Poison)
Your Best Nightmare: - Your Best Nightmare is a Final Boss song:
Omega Flowey appears on stage and uses a random human soul to attack the area, attacks that hit Frisk/Chara gets healed.
Yes, almost every attack was named after a song in this beautiful, beautiful game.
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| | | Forest Bug Productions Level 3 CPU
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:31 am | |
| The moveset isn't that well made & spoils some important parts in the game. There needs to be a reason why Frisk/Chara would be great reps for Crusade. I love Undertale to death, but it came out three months ago so don't get your hopes up. I personally think Undyne or Mettaton would be better choices for Crusade, but neither of them aren't the main character of UT & RPG characters would be pretty hard to make.
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| | | Lego Shaq
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:06 am | |
| NO. NO. NO!
I've been waiting so loong for an Undertale thread so I could destroy it.
THE GAME IS LITERALLY 3 MONTHS OLD. Do you seriously think a 3 months old game has ANY chance of being in Crusade? And who knows if it's flavor of the month or not!? It could wear out in January.
Also, uh, NOPE! It's not even close to being the first RPG with branching paths. Uh, hello? Shin Megami Tensei? Law, Chaos, Neutral routes?
I'm not sure why you felt the need to put the entire story into the thread, either.
Your Regular/Neutral attacks are literally just "punch slap kick" and it's so, so, boring. You could do much better with those.
I guess the other moves are okay. They're completely filled with Undertale stuff, which is good for an Undertale character. And basically the Neutral and Side special are the same? Why?
The Final Smash spoils the game, and for a story-based game, that's not very good.
Also, is it Frisk or Chara, decide.
Absolutely no way I'm supporting. A 3 month old possible fad indie that has only one game should be your first pointers to not being in.
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| | | SP
3856 cellularSP
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:09 am | |
| The moveset is pretty poor. I understand where it is coming from, you want to represent all the major bosses/minibosses with the attacks. Thing is, the main character himself never uses them. While for certain characters, borrowing moves can be alright (Ness does so in official Smash), for Frisk it does not make sense. He is capable of doing his own thing, rather than borrowing from other characters. |
| | | Lego Shaq
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:30 am | |
| Also tobyfox has stated Frisk goes by "they" I'm pretty sure.
SP makes good points. I mean, should Frisk even be a fighter? Who uses combat moves?? I mean, pacifism is the big thing of the game |
| | | TrinitroMan Level 7 CPU
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:49 pm | |
| Villager is also a pacifist (mostly), yet look at him in Smash 4, running around and axing people like a maniac. |
| | | Lego Shaq
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:52 pm | |
| - TrinitroMan wrote:
- Villager is also a pacifist (mostly), yet look at him in Smash 4, running around and axing people like a maniac.
Villager isn't canonically a pacifist at all. I mean, it's a life simulation game, do you expect him to be killing people? And nearly all of his Smash 4 moves involve accidentally harming the enemy. Such as the "axing people like a maniac move" you mentioned, he simply cuts down a tree. |
| | | OmegaSteve777 Level 8 CPU
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:58 pm | |
| I disagree. I mean why would he summon a rocket to not even ride on? Why would he fire his slingshot? Why would he bring out his turnips? Not really a pacifist in the Smash lore. |
| | | Lego Shaq
1379
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:59 pm | |
| - OmegaSteve777 wrote:
- I disagree. I mean why would he summon a rocket to not even ride on? Why would he fire his slingshot? Why would he bring out his turnips? Not really a pacifist in the Smash lore.
I mean that it's never stated or implied he's doing that to harm his enemies. Fire his slingshot: Bored, so he shoots it off, not intending to hurt anybody Summon a rocket: For fun and because he doesn't wanna walk Bring out turnips: To plant? What do you think? |
| | | OmegaSteve777 Level 8 CPU
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:51 pm | |
| 1. Fair enough 2. I meant for when you don't ride it, just fire it off. 3. I don't remember ever planting turnips in AC. I REALLY don't remember planting above you... 4. Why is this in the Frisk thread |
| | | Lego Shaq
1379
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:56 pm | |
| - OmegaSteve777 wrote:
- 1. Fair enough
2. I meant for when you don't ride it, just fire it off. 3. I don't remember ever planting turnips in AC. I REALLY don't remember planting above you... 4. Why is this in the Frisk thread 2. Quickly changes mind and decides to walk. 3. I'm sure it's possible, and either way I never said ALL of his moveset. 4. It stemmed from the pacifisim conversation. |
| | | Slissith
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:57 pm | |
| - Lego Shaq wrote:
- OmegaSteve777 wrote:
- I disagree. I mean why would he summon a rocket to not even ride on? Why would he fire his slingshot? Why would he bring out his turnips? Not really a pacifist in the Smash lore.
I mean that it's never stated or implied he's doing that to harm his enemies.
Fire nir slingshot: Bored, so ne shoots it off, not intending to hurt anybody Summon a rocket: For fun and because ne doesn't wanna walk Bring out turnips: To plant? What do you think? Wow https://genderneutralpronoun.wordpress.com/tag/xe/ Check your priviledge son |
| | | SP
3856 cellularSP
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:38 pm | |
| Technically Frisk can fight even on a pacifist run. You just can't KILL anything, but you can attack all you want. - Spoiler:
Technically you're forced to fight during the Asgore fight in a pacifist run, even if you don't fight at all beforehand. If put into a situation in which Frisk needs to fight, Frisk can fight.
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| | | procrastinatingDestiny Level 6 CPU
875 DestinyIntwined
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:40 am | |
| You are forgetting in the Genocide run Frisk is cannonically evil. I will fix the set and finish the story also I like undertale as a game and as for it's amazing score. Also really Shaq? |
| | | AEM
1763 Ariand54321
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:47 am | |
| There is no real game canon, except for the events that take place before Frisk wakes up under Mt. Ebott.
It is all up to the player, lol. |
| | | Lego Shaq
1379
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:05 am | |
| - DestinyIntwined wrote:
- You are forgetting in the Genocide run Frisk is cannonically evil. I will fix the set and finish the story also I like undertale as a game and as for it's amazing score. Also really Shaq?
Yep, really. If you make a thread like this you should expect someone to lash out at you. AEM is right, though, Frisk can be a fighter, so having fighting moves is okay. |
| | | LeadPlooty Level 1 CPU
17 Lead
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:21 pm | |
| - Lego Shaq wrote:
- NO.
NO. NO!
I've been waiting so loong for an Undertale thread so I could destroy it.
THE GAME IS LITERALLY 3 MONTHS OLD. Do you seriously think a 3 months old game has ANY chance of being in Crusade? And who knows if it's flavor of the month or not!? It could wear out in January.
Also, uh, NOPE! It's not even close to being the first RPG with branching paths. Uh, hello? Shin Megami Tensei? Law, Chaos, Neutral routes?
I'm not sure why you felt the need to put the entire story into the thread, either.
Your Regular/Neutral attacks are literally just "punch slap kick" and it's so, so, boring. You could do much better with those.
I guess the other moves are okay. They're completely filled with Undertale stuff, which is good for an Undertale character. And basically the Neutral and Side special are the same? Why?
The Final Smash spoils the game, and for a story-based game, that's not very good.
Also, is it Frisk or Chara, decide.
Absolutely no way I'm supporting. A 3 month old possible fad indie that has only one game should be your first pointers to not being in.
Wow, you really hate indies, don't you? |
| | | Lego Shaq
1379
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:26 pm | |
| - LeadPlooty wrote:
- Lego Shaq wrote:
- NO.
NO. NO!
I've been waiting so loong for an Undertale thread so I could destroy it.
THE GAME IS LITERALLY 3 MONTHS OLD. Do you seriously think a 3 months old game has ANY chance of being in Crusade? And who knows if it's flavor of the month or not!? It could wear out in January.
Also, uh, NOPE! It's not even close to being the first RPG with branching paths. Uh, hello? Shin Megami Tensei? Law, Chaos, Neutral routes?
I'm not sure why you felt the need to put the entire story into the thread, either.
Your Regular/Neutral attacks are literally just "punch slap kick" and it's so, so, boring. You could do much better with those.
I guess the other moves are okay. They're completely filled with Undertale stuff, which is good for an Undertale character. And basically the Neutral and Side special are the same? Why?
The Final Smash spoils the game, and for a story-based game, that's not very good.
Also, is it Frisk or Chara, decide.
Absolutely no way I'm supporting. A 3 month old possible fad indie that has only one game should be your first pointers to not being in.
Wow, you really hate indies, don't you? You're not the first one to ask that. I've played and enjoyed Shovel Knight, Thomas Was Alone, Super Meat Boy, Cave Story, Awesomenauts, Five Nights At Freddies, VVVVVV, Octodad, The Behemoth's games. And those are just some of the indies I've played and enjoyed. So actually I quote enjoy indies. Just because I didn't support Peacock doesn't mean I don't like indies. |
| | | Mario123311 Level 4 CPU
158 N/A
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:12 pm | |
| Pretty much the same with Lego Shaq. I would say someone who I think is more deserving of an Indie rep title for Smash but I don't want to look like a fathead. Memetale really isn't that great either, If I wanted a closed-eyed protagonist who roams a acid trip world, I'd rather go with Madotsuki. |
| | | Naughty Ottsel Level 5 CPU
328 Vanillogic
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:54 pm | |
| - Lego Shaq wrote:
- You're not the first one to ask that.
*coughs nervously* *avoids Shaq's eyes* Even if you're convinced Shaq is an evil, miserly, indie-hating bastard (which he's not, by the way), here's my two cents, as someone who's made his adoration for the indie scene very apparent (go support Shovel Knight). No support. Yes, it's popular; yes, it's good; yes, it's got clear inspiration drawn from Nintendo titles, but it is also extremely new, and has only one entry (Shovel Knight at least has the Plague of Shadows expansion, and more on the way). Maybe this is just a matter of personal taste, since I'm almost always a fan of other genres before JRPGs (don't get me wrong, I love FF to death), but I'm on Shaq's side for this one. Shaq, don't you dare say anything about the pros of Frisk I just mentioned and discounted being the same as Shovel Knight's. Don't any of you dare. |
| | | TheMayMaysJack Level 4 CPU
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:00 am | |
| - Lego Shaq wrote:
- NO.
NO. NO!
I've been waiting so loong for an Undertale thread so I could destroy it.
THE GAME IS LITERALLY 3 MONTHS OLD. Do you seriously think a 3 months old game has ANY chance of being in Crusade? And who knows if it's flavor of the month or not!? It could wear out in January.
Also, uh, NOPE! It's not even close to being the first RPG with branching paths. Uh, hello? Shin Megami Tensei? Law, Chaos, Neutral routes?
I'm not sure why you felt the need to put the entire story into the thread, either.
Your Regular/Neutral attacks are literally just "punch slap kick" and it's so, so, boring. You could do much better with those.
I guess the other moves are okay. They're completely filled with Undertale stuff, which is good for an Undertale character. And basically the Neutral and Side special are the same? Why?
The Final Smash spoils the game, and for a story-based game, that's not very good.
Also, is it Frisk or Chara, decide.
Absolutely no way I'm supporting. A 3 month old possible fad indie that has only one game should be your first pointers to not being in.
As much as I love Undertale, I have to agree with this right here. |
| | | Braystar Level 7 CPU
1231 N/A
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Fri Jan 01, 2016 7:31 pm | |
| Nope.avi No way. It's just like Freddy Fazbear, a fad indie game character that people push for. Next it's Flowly or what ever it is, IDGAF. This character also has no Nintendo relevance, and I'm a guy who wouldn't mind PS or Xbox characters in this fangame. |
| | | procrastinatingDestiny Level 6 CPU
875 DestinyIntwined
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:38 am | |
| Added minor bits of canonical story as well as dusted down that moveset, also I decided on three seperate smashes, umm which one is the best... |
| | | GothicSlenderman Level 3 CPU
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Sat Jan 02, 2016 5:22 pm | |
| I personally have no problem with an Undertale character (though, I think Cloud, Banjo-Kazooie, Bayonetta & Shovel Knight should come first and that's if they do add any of them)
Also Frisk is a decent choice as the main character but I think if any character from Undertale gets in it would be either Sans or Papyrus |
| | | Lego Shaq
1379
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:00 pm | |
| - GothicSlenderman wrote:
- I personally have no problem with an Undertale character (though, I think Cloud, Banjo-Kazooie, Bayonetta & Shovel Knight should come first and that's if they do add any of them)
Also Frisk is a decent choice as the main character but I think if any character from Undertale gets in it would be either Sans or Papyrus Why would it be Sans or Papyrus? There shouldn't be an Undertale rep but if there was it's gonna be the main character |
| | | Braystar Level 7 CPU
1231 N/A
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:58 pm | |
| Sans and Papyrus? Really Slender? A friend I know said Sans has 1 health. And even that, you can't play as them. Why not play as the main character instead, IF (and that's a big IF) Undertale is repped, which I highly doubt it will be. |
| | | AkumaTh Level 3 CPU
55 AkumaTh
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:20 pm | |
| Frisk would be a good addition, but since he is recent I doubt he would be included right now.
And like people said, the move list is pretty bad. He has weapons that would be great to translated to his move set. |
| | | TrinitroMan Level 7 CPU
1244
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:33 am | |
| - AkumaTh wrote:
- Frisk would be a good addition, but since they is recent I doubt they would be included right now.
And like people said, the move list is pretty bad. They has weapons that would be great to translated to their move set. Fixed. Frisk doesn't have a gender. |
| | | TheMayMaysJack Level 4 CPU
100 :^)
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:10 pm | |
| - TrinitroMan wrote:
- AkumaTh wrote:
- Frisk would be a good addition, but since they is recent I doubt they would be included right now.
And like people said, the move list is pretty bad. They have weapons that would be great to translated to their move set. Fixed. Frisk doesn't have a gender. Fixed. In this world, it's fix grammatical errors or be a grammatical error. |
| | | TrinitroMan Level 7 CPU
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:23 pm | |
| In this world, it's SMASH or be SMASHED! ...okay, if Frisk gets in and gets a home stage, then Flowey NEEDS to be a stage hazard there, complete with this edit of Flowey's famous line. |
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