| Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal | |
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TrinitroMan Level 7 CPU
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:02 am | |
| Hmm...maybe it should reset the damage afterall? However, how should the move work in Stamina mode? Deplete all the HP with one "hit"? |
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Kzinssie Level 5 CPU
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:54 am | |
| Maybe Spare attacks don't do damage while non-Spare attacks reduce the Spare meter, but not by so much that you can't carefully rack up both damage and Spare points if you know what you're doing? |
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Mellon Level 5 CPU
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:16 am | |
| I don't really support Frisk, but if they were to get in I at least want them to have a a decent moveset. Too lazy to add percentages, but the LV increase level should give you an idea of how strong the move is. - My moveset:
Moveset inspiration: Specials will be based on the ACT, ITEM and SPARE options in Undertale, while all other attacks will be based on the different weapons found in the game. Gimmick: Hitting opponents with attacks other than the specials will increase the player's LV gradually, with a maximum LV of 19. A high LV will increase damage in A attacks but lower the damage of Specials, give your attacks slightly more endlag, make your recovery worse and make all dodges slower and shorter, as well as make your shield easier to break. Basically, you become a glass cannon. Jab: A slightly delayed swing with the Stick. Unlike every other A attack, this move takes two hits to reach LV2 rather than just one like the other A moves do Ftilt: A regular punch with the Tough glove. All tilts have medium LV increase Dtilt: A low sweep with the Balette Shoes. Utilt: An uppercut with the Tough Glove, which can be used as a combo starter. Dash attack: A pirouette while wearing the Balette Shoes, hitting three times. Slightly above medium LV increase
Nair: A quick spin in the air while holding the Stick. Medium LV increase Fair: A heavy swing forward with the Torn Notebook, working as a slow kill move. Above medium LV increase. Bair: A surprisingly quick slap backwards with the Torn Notebook, which after the initial hit has small multiple hits from pages flying out. Slightly above medium LV increase Uair: An upwards hit with the handle of the Empty Gun, very similar to Bowser Jr's Up air. Medium LV increase Dair: Frisk angles the Empty Gun downwards in a slow startup, then tries firing the gun only for smoke to come out instead due to the gun being empty. Still, the smoke is a powerful meteor smash with above medium LV increase.
Side Smash: When below LV 5, Frisk slashes forward with the Toy Knife. At level 10 they use the Worn Dagger for a bigger hitbox and faster startup, and at level 15 they switch one final time to the Real Knife for a big decrease in endlag, making it pretty spammable. Very high LV increase. Up Smash: An upwards smack that kills vertically, with pretty big endlag. High LV increase Down Smash: Frisk does a handstand, then split kicks with the Balette shoes while upside down. Very horizontal knockback, and has high LV increase
Neutral Special: Frisk starts talking with any opponent standing in front of them, which traps and damages them rapidly. Side Special: Frisk throws Dog Residue at the opponent in an arc, which deals a random amount of damage like Peach's turnips. Up Special: After turning into the red SOUL, Frisk floats upwards quickly or runs in a chosen direction if used on the ground, like if the Run command had been used. The attack gets much slower with a higher LV, but the actual height doesn't decrease much. On the ground it has a multihitting hitbox, making it another useful way to rack up damage in a "pacifist playthrough" Down Special: A dust cloud appears in front of Frisk and splits into four smaller clouds, moving in all four diagonal directions like the animation that plays when an enemy is killed or spared. In this case, it's Frisk "sparing" anyone who's in front of him, which is an early killmove like Jigglypuff's rest. This move has more range forward than Rest in exchange for being a bit weaker than it. Final Smash LV1: Stars rain down from the sky and split into smaller stars, like (SPOILERS)'s attack Galacta Blazing. The hardest to dodge out of all the final smashes Final Smash LV2-18: Everything on screen freezes as the ATTACK scale appears, as the player has to play a rhythm game of sorts with the incoming white bars. For each one that hits, Frisk gets an increase in power and speed. A total of 10 bars appear, in a random rhythm. The boost in power lasts for about as long as the other transformation Final Smashes, like Wario-Man or Giga Bowser. Final Smash LV19: Frisk hits whoever is standing in front of them with full force, which makes the LV counter hit LV20. Then, Frisk's sprite changes to look like Chara and they start slashing away at the foe, guaranteeing a One Hit KO.
No ideas for Grab. Something with Checking the opponent, maybe?
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Kzinssie Level 5 CPU
423 slothfulunchmeat
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:14 pm | |
| I like that moveset a lot! It's an interesting gimmick. |
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JaegerKrieg Level 3 CPU
67 N/A
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:42 pm | |
| Hope Frisk gets in alongside Twilight Sparkle and Freddy Fazbear.
Pls no memegames on Crusade. |
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Braystar Level 7 CPU
1231 N/A
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:45 pm | |
| No. No. No. Stop. Leave this thread dead, please for the love of gaming stop. |
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Lego Shaq
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:46 pm | |
| - JaegerKrieg wrote:
- Hope Frisk gets in alongside Twilight Sparkle and Freddy Fazbear.
Pls no memegames on Crusade. StopThis thread has been ruined enough |
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Kzinssie Level 5 CPU
423 slothfulunchmeat
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:57 pm | |
| i didnt know you could call games you dont like memegames now damn |
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Chaotic Chao Level 4 CPU
249 ChaotixChao
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:06 pm | |
| - JaegerKrieg wrote:
- Hope Frisk gets in alongside Twilight Sparkle and Freddy Fazbear.
Pls no memegames on Crusade. Here we go again lol ...Well that was my only comment, but in an attempt to post something substantial, I suppose I should say I don't quite support since Frisk's a fairly new character who's only been in one game. It's a very weak "no" though, and I may change my mind if his popularity remains high over time or if his game gets a sequel. I do think he has a lot of cool moveset potential. |
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Kzinssie Level 5 CPU
423 slothfulunchmeat
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:59 pm | |
| I support just because I don't really feel like waiting for the precise moment, but I do agree that he probably shouldn't get in immediately. He does need a bit of time to confirm he's not a flash in the pan, but I think it's unlikely he is. |
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Mellon Level 5 CPU
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:51 pm | |
| It seems I've stepped into a warzone of sorts. I'll just leave my moveset here and hope things work out. |
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procrastinatingDestiny Level 6 CPU
875 DestinyIntwined
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Fri Apr 08, 2016 8:03 am | |
| I kinda left this thread alone for a reason... |
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GamingGryffindor Level 6 CPU
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon May 16, 2016 9:44 pm | |
| ...Sans would fit so much better tho |
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TrinitroMan Level 7 CPU
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon May 16, 2016 11:09 pm | |
| But Sans is not the main protagonist. |
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Kzinssie Level 5 CPU
423 slothfulunchmeat
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Mon May 16, 2016 11:24 pm | |
| Yuffie would be a much better FF7 rep but you still have to put in the main character first
I'd also argue that Sans doesn't have nearly the variety of abilities Frisk has |
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Dustination
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Tue May 17, 2016 7:13 am | |
| - Kzinssie wrote:
- Yuffie would be a much better FF7 rep
I want what you're smoking |
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Kzinssie Level 5 CPU
423 slothfulunchmeat
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Tue May 17, 2016 11:38 am | |
| Gameplay-wise I think she'd fit far better
You can also replace her with Tifa or Cid and the point still stands |
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Lego Shaq
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Tue May 17, 2016 3:18 pm | |
| - Kzinssie wrote:
- Gameplay-wise I think she'd fit far better
You can also replace her with Tifa or Cid and the point still stands Literally who gives a shit gameplay-wise with YUFFIE With Final Fantasy its completely about the character |
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procrastinatingDestiny Level 6 CPU
875 DestinyIntwined
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Tue May 17, 2016 3:39 pm | |
| This is an Undertale Thread, y'know this right? |
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Lego Shaq
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Tue May 17, 2016 4:17 pm | |
| - DestinyIntwined wrote:
- This is an Undertale Thread, y'know this right?
This is one of the longest, most exhausting threads and most likely has set a record for the most pages with the least supporters, as well as being loaded for pages and pages with pointless memes and as you yourself said, this thread is one you left alone for a reason, so I don't see why you should care if we discuss another inclusion in this thread |
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Kzinssie Level 5 CPU
423 slothfulunchmeat
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Tue May 17, 2016 4:42 pm | |
| - Lego Shaq wrote:
- Kzinssie wrote:
- Gameplay-wise I think she'd fit far better
You can also replace her with Tifa or Cid and the point still stands Literally who gives a shit gameplay-wise with YUFFIE With Final Fantasy its completely about the character Okay so Barret is the obvious choice Cloud doesn't really have much in the way of characterization to begin with My point is that, in terms of both gameplay and characterization, Cloud isn't the best choice from FF7, but Main Character Status means he's still the one to get in |
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Lego Shaq
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Tue May 17, 2016 5:19 pm | |
| - Kzinssie wrote:
- Lego Shaq wrote:
- Kzinssie wrote:
- Gameplay-wise I think she'd fit far better
You can also replace her with Tifa or Cid and the point still stands Literally who gives a shit gameplay-wise with YUFFIE With Final Fantasy its completely about the character Okay so Barret is the obvious choice
Cloud doesn't really have much in the way of characterization to begin with
My point is that, in terms of both gameplay and characterization, Cloud isn't the best choice from FF7, but Main Character Status means he's still the one to get in I would PERSONALLY choose Barrett cause he's my fav but you're out of your mind brother |
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Kzinssie Level 5 CPU
423 slothfulunchmeat
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Tue May 17, 2016 7:18 pm | |
| I'm saying he's not the choice because main character status trumps everything else. Just like how it means Frisk gets in over Sans or ASGORE. |
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GamingGryffindor Level 6 CPU
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Tue May 17, 2016 7:39 pm | |
| - TrinitroMan wrote:
- But Sans is not the main protagonist.
I remember when Kefka was seriously being considered for Crusade come to think of it, so was Chocobo and Warrior of Light none of these are technically the main characters, but rather the most recognizable of their respective titles Sans is clearly the face of Undertale. Don't get me wrong, Frisk is a sweet kid, but Sans is far superior for not only abilities, but overall personality. |
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Chaotic Chao Level 4 CPU
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Tue May 17, 2016 8:31 pm | |
| Well...another thing about Yuffie and Barret and whoever-else is that those characters are actually playable. That's more than you can say for Sans and Asgore, and on top of that, at least Sans appears a whole bunch of times throughout the game. Asgore doesn't, so no matter how you look at it, he...doesn't really make sense, honestly. Now, Sans I could understand technically, and being playable is obviously not a requirement for inclusion (otherwise our cast of playable Zelda characters would consist only of Link, Toon Link, Tingle, Medli, Makar, and arguably...Toon Zelda as a phantom?), but still, that doesn't mean he should get in over the only playable character in the game (on the off-chance he were to get in, that is). Popularity trumps a lot, but not all.
That said though, still no support because...shoot me, I think his game is overrated (and yes, I've played through it twice, so you can't shoot me justifiably). But to that end, it's still just one (indie) game with no sequels, honestly. Popularity is literally all he's got going for him, really. Until he gets more actual relevance beyond that, his inclusion would feel like more of a sellout than anything. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I must say it's annoying this thread hasn't died yet and is unsurprisingly controversial given Undertale is the topic. |
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Kzinssie Level 5 CPU
423 slothfulunchmeat
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Wed May 18, 2016 12:27 am | |
| - KeybladePony wrote:
- Sans is clearly the face of Undertale. Don't get me wrong, Frisk is a sweet kid, but Sans is far superior for not only abilities, but overall personality.
Disagree on most of this. Sans has more personality by default due to Frisk being a silent protagonist, but he has a much smaller variety of abilities due to only appearing as a single boss (on the route you're not "supposed" to do, by the by) and... I don't really think any one character is the face of Undertale tbh. If Undertale had two characters I'd definitely go with Sans as the second choice tho |
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GamingGryffindor Level 6 CPU
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Wed May 18, 2016 1:22 am | |
| - Kzinssie wrote:
- KeybladePony wrote:
- Sans is clearly the face of Undertale. Don't get me wrong, Frisk is a sweet kid, but Sans is far superior for not only abilities, but overall personality.
Disagree on most of this. Sans has more personality by default due to Frisk being a silent protagonist, but he has a much smaller variety of abilities due to only appearing as a single boss (on the route you're not "supposed" to do, by the by) and... I don't really think any one character is the face of Undertale tbh.
If Undertale had two characters I'd definitely go with Sans as the second choice tho Sans has far more abilities than Little Mac did though and Sakurai made Little Mac work actually, I have an entire moveset made for sans, taunts, music, everything. |
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Broke The Screeen Level 3 CPU
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Wed May 18, 2016 4:25 am | |
| I've seen better movesets on Deviantart tbh. Yes, Deviantart. |
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procrastinatingDestiny Level 6 CPU
875 DestinyIntwined
| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Wed May 18, 2016 7:37 am | |
| Honestly, now actually having bought and played through the entire game, I do actually want to remake this thread, and possibly in the far future do one on Asriel |
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AmareTSM
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| Subject: Re: Frisk (Undertale) Discussion: The Pacifist or The Genocidal Wed May 18, 2016 7:53 am | |
| - DestinyIntwined wrote:
- Honestly, now actually having bought and played through the entire game, I do actually want to remake this thread, and possibly in the far future do one on Asriel
Did you seriously make this thread for a game you hadn't bought or played. |
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