Jack Frost (Shin Megami Tensei) Discussion: Hee-Ho, You Wanna Go?

DEBUT: Megami Tensei II
LATEST APPEARANCE: Devil Survivor 2: Reclocked

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Jack Frost is the mascot of Atlus and a lovable little snow elf demon, known by many gamers. He has appeared in a ton of games, including his own spin-off way back (Jack Bros) with his 2 brothers, Pyro Jack and Jack the Ripper (who are much lesser known.)  Atlus, the company that owns him, has a strong following in Japan and the West, and are known for their quality and much more. By the way, if you don't get that tagline: Jack constantly says "Hee-Ho", even when he's trying to act tough.

Jack Frost himself would be a great choice for Crusade, for he'd represent Atlus, one of the most popular companies not represented in Crusade yet.

Before I get into Jack's moveset, I'm sure you may be thinking various things. I'm going to try my best to refute your suspicions, so, here goes!

Why Do We Need An Atlus Rep?
First off, Atlus is a highly praised company with highly-received and well loved series and games, such as the smash hit series Persona, and a company that gamers all around know. Also, Atlus has a huge fanbase in Japan and in the West.

Why Jack Frost?
Jack Frost is considered by Atlus themselves to be their mascot, and a character that has appeared in quite a bit of games. He's one of the most recurring Megami Tensei characters, and he also has a lot of moves at his disposal to make for a great moveset.

Why Jack Frost Over A Persona Rep, Or Another Demon?
If a person knows one thing about Atlus, it's most likely Persona and Jack Frost. No other demon really reaches his level of fame. It'd be very weird to see another one of his kind over him, despite Jack being the mascot.

Jack would be in over Yu (Persona 4's protagonist) and Minato (Persona 3's protagonist) due to the fact that those two characters only represent games in the Persona series, that has five mainline games (Persona 2 has two routes, both entire games) and another one currently in production. Also, a new era of Persona is coming; Persona 4 Dancing All Night may be the last we see of Persona 4 for quite a while. Also, Jack Frost is in Persona.

Megami Tensei (and it's various branches such as Shin Megami Tensei) has over 30 games and tons of them with great reception. Jack Frost? Appeared in nearly all of those 30 games. While never the main protagonist, he always shows up one way or another.

Also, some people seem confused as to why a Persona 1 and 2 rep wouldn't happen: Persona 1 and Persona 2 were, while well received, not big hits like Persona 3 and Persona 4, most likely because of the gameplay and other factors. You most likely wouldn't find someone who knows the protagonist of Persona 2's name if you quizzed 50 Persona fans. But, this is not relevant to Jack.

Isn't Megami Tensei really mature?[
Yes! Though Jack is somewhat of a comic relief character, not mature at all. Also, Metal Gear Solid, despite also being quite a wacky and funny series, is very dark and grim, featuring very adult themes. And we still have Snake, so...

What Makes Jack Frost Unique?
Basically, Jack plays as a nimble character that racks up the damage. His attacks are mostly light as well as lightning fast, and is great at getting good combos. However, his true power lies in his various ranged attacks, most of which can be charged and give him many different ways to play. Also, he utilizes various icy things, such as snowballs and snowflakes. Part of the reason of which being because, well, he's a snow elf and completely ice-themed, and also because of how comical he is, with fitting "comical" moves for his normal attacks.

Jack's Nintendo Relationship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Megami_Tensei_media Take a look at this. There are over, as I said, 30 games in the Megami Tensei franchise. Excluding the Persona franchise, almost every single game has been on a Nintendo console. The latest release has been on a Nintendo console. And Atlus, now being owned by Nintendo's best buddy Sega, has stronger relations with Nintendo then ever.


Now then, I'm sure you want to see it; so, time to move onto the moveset!


Jack's Intro

Icy wind billows as Jack Frost and Pyro Jack appear. Pyro gives his brother a highfive then vanishes, and then Frost tilts his head and waves, basically the picture you see of him in this thread.


Jack's Normal Attacks


Neutral Attack
Punches forward an icy fist.
(Origin: Original Move)

Jab
Punches forward his icy fist two times, slowly, then headbutts his opponent.
Light damage, light knockback
(Origin: Original Move)

Side Tilt
Jack gets out a snowball and thwacks his opponent with it on their side.
Light damage, medium knockback
(Origin: Original Move)

Up Tilt
Throws three, overlapping, snowflakes upward. They go a bit high, but not too high; think a bit higher then Peach's rainbow up-tilt in Smash 4.
Light damage, light knockback
(Origin: Original Move)

Down Tilt
Rolls out some tiny snowballs, that roll forward and stun any opponent hit for a very short span of time. They all do a tiny amount of damage, but the last one is the biggest and does a decent amount bigger damage then the other snowballs.
Light damage, light knockback, and the last one deals medium damage, medium knockback
(Origin: Original Move)

Ledge Attack
Jack comically flails around and throws out two punches.
Light damage, basically no knockback
(Origin: Original Move)

Getting Up Attack
Spins around quickly, his hands gliding on the floor, reaching for opponents.
Light damage, basically no knockback
(Origin: Original Move)

Dash Attack
Charges forward and thrashes his head erratically.
Light damage, light knockback
(Origin: Original Move)

Jack's Smash Attacks


Side Smash
Throws out a Sonic Punch, which is a quick swipe punch that comes from the side of Jack. Comes out very quick, so it doesn't do a ton of damage, but fully charged it does good damage and comes just as quick.
Medium damage, light knockback uncharged, high damage, medium knockback charged
(Origin: Sonic Punch is one of Jack's moves in various games, such as the Persona games.)

Up Smash
Winds up another Sonic Punch and slings his fist upward, his hand expanding as it goes up. Comes out quick, but not as fast as his side smash.
Medium damage, medium knockback uncharged, high damage, medium knockback charged
(Origin: Sonic Punch, same origin as above)

Down Smash
Slowly lugs out a huge snowball that gets bigger as it is charged up and at the end of the attack, drops it, and the impact makes it explode. Does a LOT of damage if fully charged and hits an opponent. Otherwise, it is his most powerful smash attack, but doesn't do the big damage his fully charged Up Smash does.
Medium damage, high knockback if uncharged, high damage, high knockback if charged.
(Origin: Original Move)

Jack's Aerials


Neutral Aerial
Flails around and manages to kick outward.
(Origin: Original Move)

Forward Aerial
Slaps forward.
(Origin: Original Move)

Back Aerial
Leans forward (think of his position in this like Luigi's in effect Side-B) and spins around in a circle, doing a cartwheel.
(Origin: Original Move)

Up Aerial
Punches and swings his fist around upward.
(Origin: Original Move)

Down Aerial
Swings his head downward. His head grows a bit big as it swings down.
(Origin: Original Move)


Jack's Specials


Neutral Special: Ice/Blizzard Breath.
Depending on how long you hold the button, Jack's breath will be bigger and better. It has a short hitbox and a bit of hitlag, but freezes the opponent for a brief second if fully charged, allowing a great follow up. This move is multiple hits and juggles. Ice Breath deals light damage with light knockback, and Blizzard Breath deals medium damage with medium knockback.
(Origin: Ice/Blizzard Breath is a move commonly used by Jack in multiple Megami Tensei games.)

Side Special: Bufu/Bufula.
If you lightly tap the side special button, Jack sends forward ice flakes and chunks of ice quickly. If you hold it, Jack forms some ice in his hand and sends forward a stronger attack that has a bigger sprite, but the same animation. The attack goes forward for about 2 seconds, quickly. Juggles.
Bufu does light damage and light knockback, and Bufula does high damage and medium knockback.
(Origin: This is one of Jack's most widely used moves, and is used in nearly every appearance.)

Down Special: Ice Boost.
Jack holds his hands to his head and thinks hard, and his next five attacks will become stronger depending on how long he focuses. If you charge up for 3 seconds, his attacks will be maybe 3% tougher. If you charge for, say, 10 seconds, his attacks will be 10% stronger. If interrupted by an attack or such, he'll instantly stop focusing with no powered-up moves.
(Origin: Ice Boost is a common Jack attack that boosts some of his stats.)

Up Special: Hee-Ho, Pyro!:
Pyro Jack appears and grabs his brother, and Frost hangs onto Pyro's coat. Floats slowly upward, but goes very high. However, if hit, goes into helpless mode and plummets down. Pyro Jack hits any opponent that doesn't attack him that he bumps into with his lantern, giving them a good whack.
Pyro's whack gives them medium damage, medium knockback.
(Origin: Pyro Jack is Jack Frost's spooky ghost brother who's constantly as his side, appearing in many games as well.)


Jack's Grabs


Grab Animation
Jack scowls and clutches the opponents sides.
(Origin: Original Move)

Pummel
Jack punches his opponent in the chest multiple times, babyishly, in a way.
Light damage
(Origin: Original Move)

Forward Throw
Winds up a Sonic Punch and punches the enemy forward.
Light damage, medium knockback
(Origin: Sonic Punch, commonly used Jack Frost move.)

Back Throw
Suplexes the enemy, throwing them backwards. This may seem odd but it's actually a reference to the boxart of Persona 4 Arena Ultimax, where Labrys suplexes Yu.
Light damage, medium knockback
(Origin: Boxart of Persona 4 Arena Ultimax)

Up Throw
Jack lifts his opponent up and blows ice on them, stunning them, then heaves them upward.
Light damage, medium knockback
(Origin: Original Move)

Down Throw
Jack drops the opponent to the ground then hits them two times with a Sonic Punch, and then throws them with a hard hit from a snowball.
Medium damage, medium knockback
(Origin: Original Move)


Jack's Taunts And Idles

Taunt 1
His brother Pyro Jack shows up next to him and they dance around laughing. Pyro Jack then dissapears.
(Origin: Original)

Taunt 2
Plops down and makes a snowball, and eats it. Demons don't even need to eat, so who knows why?
(Origin: Original)

Taunt 3
Turns into Frost Ace (you'll see his picture soon) and points upward, smiling.
(Origin: Artwork for Frost Ace)

Idle 1
Puts his left hand to his hip and flashes a piece sign, grinning.
(Origin: Somewhat based on art for Frost that shows him wagging his finger.)

Idle 2
Makes an iceflake and shows it off infront of him, looking around.
(Origin: Original)

Jack's Victory Poses/Loss Pose[

Victory Pose 1
Jack tilts from side to side and wags his finger, then flashes a thumbs up.
(Origin: The mentioned finger-wagging artwork)

Victory Pose 2
Jack quickly becomes Frost Ace and points his finger upward in the classic "salute" of Ace.
(Origin: Frost Ace's official art)

Victory Pose 3
Jack plays around with an evoker (a weird looking gun) from Persona 3, then gets bored and plays around with a snowflake.
(Origin: Persona 3. An evoker is a gun used to summon your Persona, that when pointed at your head and trigger pulled, did nothing but summon said Persona.)

Loss
Scowls and angrily stomps up and down.
(Origin: Original)


Jack's Alt Costumes[

1.
Plain old Jack Frost.

2.
His hat becomes Pyro Jack's green hats color, and Frost gets his brothers yellow head and blue coloration.
(Origin: Pyro Jack)

3.
His two hat tips become dark grey (basically black) and his lower hat section becomes white, and his head turns Jack the Ripper, his brothers, brownish coloration, and Frost's clothes turn to Ripper's brownish.
(Origin: Jack the Ripper, one of the Jack Brothers.)

4.
Hat becomes Yu Narukami's grey hair color, and his clothes become black and white, like Yu's uniform. The rest of him is black like Yu's clothes, except his face.
(Origin: Protagonist of Persona 4, Yu Narukami)

5.
Hat becomes Minato Arisato's blue hair color, and his clothes black and silver, and the rest of him is brown, except his face.
(Origin: Protagonist of Persona 3, Minato Arisato)

6.
Becomes Frost Ace without the cape and horns.


7.
Becomes Black Frost.



Miscellaneous Facts
Height:
Pretty small. A bit above the height of Kirby.

Weight:
Not super light, but perhaps the same weight as Pikachu.

Speed:
Very nimble, think like Toad speed. Pretty fast.



And, finally...

JACK'S FINAL SMASH!
Jack is absorbed in light and as the light fades, he reappears in the gard of Frost Ace! Jack became Frost Ace in various games after getting the Ice Vest, and in Shin Megami Tensei: IMAGINE, a online MMO, he suddenly transformed into it in an event.

Basically, Frost Ace is a mega powered up Jack Frost, and goes fast and can even fly momentarily! He's a lot like Wario Man. After a few seconds of domination, he reverts back to Jack Frost.

(Origin: Various Shin Megami Tensei games with Jack becoming Frost Ace.)

Other Final Smashes:

Supporters: 13

Spoiler:

Needed Pictures

Spoiler:

How Do I Show I Want Jack?
Well, the background is white, so I suggest you put this in a spoiler...
But I've made a picture if you really want Jack Frost, just like me!

It's trashy cause I don't have Photoshop (it's made in Paint) but I hope you'll like it!

Do You Want Jack?:

Support. I was actually thinking about doing this guy before Minato/P3 Hero, but I didn't know much about this character.

Pakeli wrote:

Support. I was actually thinking about doing this guy before Minato/P3 Hero, but I didn't know much about this character.

THANK YOU! I worked really hard on this and it makes me very happy to see a supporter.

You made Minato? Great thread, but I don't think he'd fit that much. I think Jack would be better, as their mascot.

I support. Even though he is not as iconic as the likes of Mario and Sonic, I feel that Atlus had made quite a presence in gaming during its existence.

Never heard of this guy, but I do know of Atlus, Persona, and the SMT series (never played them, though).

Though... he's the mascot, fits the Smash realm, and gives us an ice mage(?) that the game lacks as of right now. I see no reason not to support this little guy.

support

Also, I added the Intro and Loss Pose a few days ago.

Roy wrote:

Never heard of this guy, but I do know of Atlus, Persona, and the SMT series (never played them, though).

Though... he's the mascot, fits the Smash realm, and gives us an ice mage(?) that the game lacks as of right now. I see no reason not to support this little guy.

I suppose you could see him as an ice mage of sorts.

Also, just thought I should say, even though it's minor; changed his up aerial.

I support, but not so much because I care about or even like Persona or Megami Tensei, but because Atlus holds a special place in my heart as the developer of Steambot Chronicles.
Still, support is support.

Naughty Ottsel wrote:

I  support, but not so much because I care about or even like Persona or Megami Tensei, but because Atlus holds a special place in my heart as the developer of Steambot Chronicles.
Still, support is support.

Thank you, Ottsel!

That's six supporters!

better 3rd party addition than most already in the game

+1

DJ Funny Gamer wrote:

better 3rd party addition than most already in the game

+1

Definitely brutally honest, but it is a bit true. Thank you for your support!

Sorry for the double post (it IS kinda my post, and this IS informative) but I added an edge attack and Jack's two idle animations.

There are some vague descriptions in some his moveset, and his back and down throws are practically copying off Kirby. (nothing wrong with that, though) Other than that, this character thread is perfect. I support!

Wouldn't Jack Frost be able to represent Megami Tensei since he is a mascot in that franchise too?

Fennikan't wrote:

There are some vague descriptions in some his moveset, and his back and down throws are practically copying off Kirby. (nothing wrong with that, though) Other than that, this character thread is perfect. I support!

Thank you!

Smash King wrote:

Wouldn't Jack Frost be able to represent Megami Tensei since he is a mascot in that franchise too?

Yeah, I just put Shin Megami Tensei because that's the one more people know.

What I've Added (in the past 4 days)

-Support List
-Misc. Facts
-Nintendo Relationship
-Damage and Knockback of Moves
-More Specific Neutral B
-Titled Changed to SHIN Megami Tensei (more known series)
-Ledge Attack, Getting Up Attack, Dash Attack

I would love feedback.

Support

Check it out! It took me at least 3 hours, but Jack has gotten a big overhaul in his layout! Now it's easier to read, colorful, just better overall!

It would be nice if I didn't hear about him so often in the chat, but I support him. Your moveset is well thought out, and it makes sense to have him as an Atlus rep, and he fits right into the realm of smash.

KingTremolo wrote:

It would be nice if I didn't hear about him so often in the chat, but I support him.  Your moveset is well thought out, and it makes sense to have him as an Atlus rep, and he fits right into the realm of smash.

Sorry mang. I didn't know anyone had a problem with it. I try to only bring him up when it's relevant. I just worked very hard on it and would like feedback. Sorry bro, won't mention him except if it's relevant or such.

Thank you for the support!

Guessing you didn't expect to see this thread again for a long while..

But in class today I had a little idea to add a supporter pic for Jack Frost. Put him in your newcomers list as a little picture now.

Maybe some newbies can get some discussion about this guy rolling.

Well, honestly the only Atlus game I ever played was a Lufia game that was...okay.
I have absolutely no idea who this guy is, but I already want him in. Support

JacobDaGun wrote:

Well, honestly the only Atlus game I ever played was a Lufia game that was...okay.
I have absolutely no idea who this guy is, but I already want him in.  Support

Thank you very much! I'm glad my thread's that good. This thread is the thread I'm most proud of, really.
Added to the supporters.

While I'd vastly prefer Yu or Minato, any Atlus rep would be okay with me. +1.

Leafyon wrote:

While I'd vastly prefer Yu or Minato, any Atlus rep would be okay with me. +1.

ANUDDA ONE

I can see why you'd prefer Yu or Minato (I love Persona, more then SMT) I feel Jack should be in before them.

Hey, fellas. Felt it was the perfect time to bump this...yesterday.

But I was too busy at a sleepover with my friends and trick or treating in my Jack Frost costume lmao. So, here's a late Halloween bump. We've gotten many new users, so maybe we'll see some new supporters.

Triple post, but who cares?

Would Jack count as a Sega rep? I feel Atlus would be represented as it's own thing, but I'm not sure.

Good thing you bumped this I forgot to tell you to add me to the support list (Been meaning to do that for a while)

No, definitely not a Sega rep.