Wolf [Star Fox] Discussion

Discuss whether or not you think Wolf should be added to Super Smash Bros. Crusade.

Well, bout him, there's no trouble about his moveset, because, he differentiates perfect from Fox and Falco.

However, for his Final Smash, here's my only change:

-Final Smash: Star Wolf Attack: Wolf summons the Star Wolf Team, which starts to shoot against opponents. Wolf, aboard on his Wolfen, can also shoot against enemies, for finally destroying them with a giant laser beam from his Wolfen.

I recommend having his Up B being and Ice element instead of fire. I think it was said in the normal request board for wolf

Yup. It was said on my Wolf request board.

We should keep that

I agree with changing his Final Smash, as well as the changes above. Out of all of the possible Smash Veterans, Wolf is among the top 5 that I hope to see come to Crusade.

#FreeWolf.... for Crusade!

My idea for the Final Smash involves the wolfen, yes, but in a way that probably might be easier to visualize: Wolf jumps into his wolfen, we then see the reticle of the star fox games and you are free to shoot either rapid shots with minimal hitstun or SF64 charged shots that track the opponent but take a little longer to charge and shoot. Then after some time he finishes with a dragoon-like dive with his wolfen to finish people off.

Free Wolf! But declone him a bit.

support

support wolf but he need much declone

Wolf is not a clone.
Just because he has a blaster, a reflector and a Land Master doesn't mean that Wolf is a clone or even a semi-clone.

well I can not remember but its up special black had no flames or something?

Up Special had a completely different animation (it was a kick) and was fairly different from Fire Fox.
Side Special was totally different from Fox Illusion/Falco Phantasm.
Wolf's Blaster is totally different from Fox' and Falco's Blaster.
Absolutely all of Wolf's basics are unique.

The only copy from Fox/Falco were Reflector and Land Master, and that's it.

Not unique, but different enough to not be treated as "Same with different properties".
If Up B could be angled better instead of being straight in a single direction, that would make it a bit more different not only from Fox/Falco, but also different from his own side B (since both have a sweetspot at the end, just one is multi hit while the other is all or nothing)

Giving the Wolf Flash the Project M treatment where if you get the sweet spot you dont go into free fall would be a high risk high reward for his combo tools.

The Reflector could use a bit of fine tunning. In brawl it's the best reflector given it not only shines the opponent like Fox, but it also Counters people who attack. (Fox's either trades or is beaten).
My idea is to reference The way Fox uses it in Subspace Emissary (Rayquaza Boss Battle cutscene) and have it appear in front of him.
This means he can keep both the reflector AND counter effect (That should only activate at the start like Roy's) while not covering both of his sides

Trinitro, don't deny he is somewhat a clone in some shape or form one way or another.

I don't deny whenever Wolf is a clone or not, because Wolf really is not a clone.
By that logic, Cloud and Ike are clones in Smash 4, and that is all kinds of wrong.

TrinitroMan wrote:

I don't deny whenever Wolf is a clone or not, because Wolf really is not a clone.
By that logic, Cloud and Ike are clones in Smash 4, and that is all kinds of wrong.

Cloud and Ike both have completely different specials though, sans maybe the Up Special. And if that makes the two clones, then that means Kirby is also a clone.

Meanwhile, Fox and Wolf's specials are just very slight variations of one-another. So much so that Wolf's specials are literally custom moves for Fox. Sure, Wolf kicks and Fox flies forward. But they're both functionally almost identical. He's a semi-clone at best, due only in part to his normals. (Which, granted, is the majority of the moveset.)

"Wplf is really not a clone". So now Lucas isn't a clone of Ness? Your logic is broken. And now you're banned. gg no re

i see a gameplay and i see he is not a clone at all

KuramaExelsior wrote:

i see a gameplay and i see he is not a clone at all

I've PLAYED Wolf. He is a clone, half clone or not.

He's a clone, but in the same way that Akuma, Dan and Gouken are clones of Ryu and Ken in Street Fighter

They have very similar specials, but with very different properties, and their normals and character properties are often wildly different, resulting in a very different playstyle.

Saying Wolf and Lucas are clones is a bit too far I think. Having 4 moves that function somewhat similarly doesn't constitute a clone in my eyes, I think it's just easy to see that way due to them coming from the same series.

Well Wolf and Lucas aren't clones, it's Wolf and Fox

DestinyIntwined wrote:

Well Wolf and Lucas aren't clones, it's Wolf and Fox

Nobody said that Wolf was a Lucas clone. Lucas is a clone of Ness and Wolf is a clone of Fox is what was being implied.

Ah, I get confuzzled

Can we agree that Wolf is a semi-clone and focus back on discussing Wolf as a whole instead of whether he is a clone or not?

As a Wolf main in PM and Brawl, I agree that Wolf should be in (maybe w/o as much priority as others though ).

In the case of "Is he a Clone," I say that he is a "Derivative" character, that is a character who is based off of another (in this case Fox) and has some similarities to the original, but has too many differences to be considered a semi-clone. I also put Luigi and Lucas in this category

This guy knows what he's talking about.

I'm happy for Wolf to be comfirmed!

He's not confirmed, this is just a thread to talk about him if he were to get in