The official unofficial character discussion thread on forum crusade mains of Super Smash Bros. Crusade 2015 (current version 0.9)

Ok so, tampering with most crusade characters I'd say that my main is Bowser, although I also like Ristar.

And regarding Bowser, I like him quite a lot. Fair and nair are useful tools for their distinct uses. Fair can kill, has good range and isn't too slow. Nair is a nice keep-away move.

I also use Jab if I want to pressure or push someone towards the stage. U tilt is also useful but requires caution. Down tilt I almost never use UNLESS I am trying to edgeguard.

Up special is OP, obvs.

Firebreath and bowser bomb are occaisonal moves, but still usefull and fun to utillise.

Your turn.

Well, I'd say I have a couple, but some of them may only be at my secondary tier of understanding.

So, to keep it short, Waluigi and Kirby.

Kirby has great moves overall. His Fair is a great combo starter, and so is his forward throw. His inhale is just borderline ridiculous in this game, and even his copy abilities have combo power. Also, his aerial hammer comes out unbelievably quick in this installment. Sword and fighter copy, as well as spark and wheelie, are all amazing for combo, and it's not hard to get damage with Kirby. Although killing can be a problem for him, it seems that he has a pretty good D.Smash, and like I said, Hammer does some work. His other smashes are somewhat slow, though, and his U.Air is, albeit powerful, pathetically slow. Range and speed are his only big problems, and his speed isn't even terrible.

As for Waluigi, no, I didn't pick him just to be funny or anything, I think he has some really good stuff. His tennis balls can do some nasty camping, especially with the different curves. Not only are the tennis balls fast, they can refresh and come out quickly too. And, I don't know about other projectiles, but a single tennisball can eat multiple hadoukens without hitstun or loss of effect. That's just crazy. His N.Air and G.Air (Gliding Air) are good, his U.Air and D.Air are substantial, he has a tether grab, which works pretty well and adds an undoubtedly helpful Z.Air to his moveset. Someone mentioned his sliding aerial D.Special, which is a notable tool for burying people and spiking them. Although their range is limited, his smash attacks do some work, especially his unfortunately short ranged U.Smash. These can work miracles if you know how to wavedash. He has a sweetspot for his U.Special, which is a bit above him, opposed to Luigi's U.Special, where the coordinate for the sweetspot is around his feet.

I heavily enjoy the entire roster, Jack of all trades style, but out of everyone, Those two probably come up the most for me.

Other characters I enjoy but still have to invest more time in are Petey, Toad, Lucario, Pichu, Falco, Gooey, Mr. G&W, Bomberman, Knuckles, Chun-Li, Phoenix Wright, Pac-Man and Klonoa.

add wolf to crusade v.0.9.1

wolf37@gmail.com wrote:

add wolf to crusade v.0.9.1

no

I don't know if I can put my two cents in here (since I'm not very high ranked..and it's slightly intimidating to be around people of the sort..) but...

Pichu. I feel pichu is one of the best in crusade. His B-air combos into itself across the entire stage of Final Destination, and most of his attacks have little to no lag (like in Melee). For me, the hardest part about using Pichu is recovering. I don't understand why, but it's hard to get back on stage once I'm knocked off so far. And I do not know if my game is too outdated or not, but Pichu doesn't have a final smash. It could just be me, though. I love how Pichu's headbutt (side special. I think it's endeavor? Since down special is Endure I'm sure) kills at low percents once Pichu racks in damage.

Or I'm just super good with Pichu X3 He IS my favorite pokemon after all.

Ashley. I LOVE Ashley. She's a super speedy character that can somewhat take hits well, an dish out damage like crazy. Her recovery is by far the best in the game, and she combos nicely, too. Hocus Pocus (I'm not sure of the spelling on that) is really nice to use. I normally use it, and follow it up with a B-air, or a dash attack. B-Air and the dash attack are both nice kill moves. I sometimes use her broom to get a kill by knocking people up until they die. I've made my friend rage like crazy doing that before. It's a nice laugh~

The only issue have with her is her final smash. Sometimes, I'll use it and the plant won't appear when the pot hits the ground. Others it will appear for a split second and it's gone, and then sometimes it stays for the whole animation. Could just be my laptop and school computers. Does anyone else have this issue?

I use Toad sometimes, but not often. I'm honestly surprised there's not a Toadette skin for him. (Or have her with his character slot like Pichu and Pikachu.)

Then again...This is from how I've played...I don't know if these things have been discussed or not..

You are more than welcome to share your 2 cents on anything relating to the project, this us coming from a developer himself ^_^

Well thank you. ^-^ I'm not great at talking to others of a higher rank. It's sort of like a freshmen talking to a senior in high school ^~^"

Plz im a senior @ textres.

I'm a Senior as well x3 It's still intimidating. It's like a noob talking to a pro at a game. After all...ya know, developers and such ^~^" granted I'm just a timid person

HypeConduit wrote:

Well, I'd say I have a couple, but some of them may only be at my secondary tier of understanding.

So, to keep it short, Waluigi and Kirby.

Kirby has great moves overall. His Fair is a great combo starter, and so is his forward throw. His inhale is just borderline ridiculous in this game, and even his copy abilities have combo power. Also, his aerial hammer comes out unbelievably quick in this installment. Sword and fighter copy, as well as spark and wheelie, are all amazing for combo, and it's not hard to get damage with Kirby. Although killing can be a problem for him, it seems that he has a pretty good D.Smash, and like I said, Hammer does some work. His other smashes are somewhat slow, though, and his U.Air is, albeit powerful, pathetically slow. Range and speed are his only big problems, and his speed isn't even terrible.

As for Waluigi, no, I didn't pick him just to be funny or anything, I think he has some really good stuff. His tennis balls can do some nasty camping, especially with the different curves. Not only are the tennis balls fast, they can refresh and come out quickly too. And, I don't know about other projectiles, but a single tennisball can eat multiple hadoukens without hitstun or loss of effect. That's just crazy. His N.Air and G.Air (Gliding Air) are good, his U.Air and D.Air are substantial, he has a tether grab, which works pretty well and adds an undoubtedly helpful Z.Air to his moveset. Someone mentioned his sliding aerial D.Special, which is a notable tool for burying people and spiking them. Although their range is limited, his smash attacks do some work, especially his unfortunately short ranged U.Smash. These can work miracles if you know how to wavedash. He has a sweetspot for his U.Special, which is a bit above him, opposed to Luigi's U.Special, where the coordinate for the sweetspot is around his feet.

I heavily enjoy the entire roster, Jack of all trades style, but out of everyone, Those two probably come up the most for me.

Other characters I enjoy but still have to invest more time in are Petey, Toad, Lucario, Pichu, Falco, Gooey, Mr. G&W, Bomberman, Knuckles, Chun-Li, Phoenix Wright, Pac-Man and Klonoa.

Yeah, kirby is pretty good. I do use him sometimes. It's really easy and satisfying to do combos with him (Nair --> Bair etc).

Falcon8r wrote:

wolf37@gmail.com wrote:

add wolf to crusade v.0.9.1

no

Honestly, I like Wolf. But, if wolf37 keeps adding like an idiot I'm not sure I WOULD like wolf in...

Seriously Wolf, lern2phorum.

DRac0 wrote:

I don't know if I can put my two cents in here (since I'm not very high ranked..and it's slightly intimidating to be around people of the sort..) but...

Pichu. I feel pichu is one of the best in crusade. His B-air combos into itself across the entire stage of Final Destination, and most of his attacks have little to no lag (like in Melee). For me, the hardest part about using Pichu is recovering. I don't understand why, but it's hard to get back on stage once I'm knocked off so far. And I do not know if my game is too outdated or not, but Pichu doesn't have a final smash. It could just be me, though. I love how Pichu's headbutt (side special. I think it's endeavor? Since down special is Endure I'm sure) kills at low percents once Pichu racks in damage.

Or I'm just super good with Pichu X3 He IS my favorite pokemon after all.

Ashley. I LOVE Ashley. She's a super speedy character that can somewhat take hits well, an dish out damage like crazy. Her recovery is by far the best in the game, and she combos nicely, too. Hocus Pocus (I'm not sure of the spelling on that) is really nice to use. I normally use it, and follow it up with a B-air, or a dash attack. B-Air and the dash attack are both nice kill moves. I sometimes use her broom to get a kill by knocking people up until they die. I've made my friend rage like crazy doing that before. It's a nice laugh~

The only issue have with her is her final smash. Sometimes, I'll use it and the plant won't appear when the pot hits the ground. Others it will appear for a split second and it's gone, and then sometimes it stays for the whole animation. Could just be my laptop and school computers. Does anyone else have this issue?

I use Toad sometimes, but not often. I'm honestly surprised there's not a Toadette skin for him. (Or have her with his character slot like Pichu and Pikachu.)

Then again...This is from how I've played...I don't know if these things have been discussed or not..

Yes, I do like pichu as well! Ashley, not so much.

Btw, there have been thoughts of reworking Ashley's gameplay/moveset in crusade. Hopefully you'll still like her

Gamey DJ wrote:

Plz im a senior @ textres.

Now, now. Let's not get too graphical.

I like Crash Bandicoot

DRac0 wrote:

I'm a Senior as well x3 It's still intimidating. It's like a noob talking to a pro at a game. After all...ya know, developers and such ^~^" granted I'm just a timid person

We're all people on here, its just most of us have wasted more time on here than others

Pacman is my #1. I just never played the gameboy version or whatever game it was where he makes some funny looking faces for his down special. Pacman to me just feels like an easy character to run for new players. I just suck at fighting games so yeah. Pacman is my main.

I also love Marth for a swordsman. Wish you guys added Roy instead though. Did the team put it to a vote and Marth won or did someone just make the sprite set first and just went with Marth? I'd like to know.

Snivy is a beast! She's the one I'd put on top if I could spend more time with her. Still pretty hard to use, but lots of fun.

As for playing with a larger fighter, I'd go with... I don't know, I gotta play more often when the new update rolls out.

Crimson, try Bowser. He's powerful, has good range, is easy to use and even though he has a very large hitbox his Up Special is a great out of shield choice. In fact, you can use it against any opponent who is too close to Bowser, since it's his fastest attack.

Porky and Petey are good too. Admitedly, they are more gimmicky, but no less deadly.

I mostly used Petey. His side special can lead into many follow ups, including guaranteed conversions with down smash and up smash if timed right.

Thanks Slissith, I'll try out Bowser for 0.9.1

@ Slissith

I really hope Ashley isn't messed with :/ But, that isn't my choice to make ^-^" But I'm sure she'll still be amazing. After all, I believe ALL characters are good. You just have to find out how to use them effectively.

@ StayPuft
I'd love to waste time with it, helping out, but school has me tied by my wrists at the moment ^-^" I can only really play for like an hour or so a day :/ Which really sucks..

Ashley's moveset does not represent her character very well. She's a witch, and to use her you... combo heavily with melee attacks and hair. It doesn't really add up.

I do agree that it doesn't represent her well, Stay (I hope it's acceptable to just put part of your name)

Some of her moves do, though. One move that I have trouble using is her Up Smash. I love the concept that you can set it off whenever, but the problem is, no one is foolish enough to be around it, ya know? I practice Ashley on CPU and my friends, but they always dodge and avoid it. If I want to use an up smash, I feel like I shouldn't have to set it up. It should just happen, ya know? Granted, she has MUCH better kill moves.. *cough* Bair, F-Smash, Dash attack *cough*

(This is my first time on a forum, so excuse my timidness).
I really love playing Gooey, Toad, Shadow and Ashley.

Gooey seems very quick and his moves hurt. It seems easy to connect with his moves. His D-Air is really easy to pull off and hit. I just love using his side tilt since it can touch opponents a pretty good feet away from him.

Toad feels easy to combo with (this might be me), especially his U-Tilt to U-Air. His Neutral Special is really hard to catch opponents off guard, but I just need to practice with it.

Shadow is great on the ground and the air. His speed and agility make him a great character to combo with. His final smash is awesome! I'm glad you guys used his Chaos powers instead of just making him go Super Shadow.

Ashley's U-Smash with the ability to go off whenever you feel like is unique way to make her a varied character. I can't get the hang nor understand her D-Special. What exactly does it do?

I would add Phoenix Wright, but he is weak damage and knockback-wise. He needs some buffs to become better IMO.

Hello there, BlueTetri617.

Ashley's Down Special is a counter. You get hit, she spooks them in return.

Phoenix is a defensive character. His major KOing power is in Take That!, which needs to be powered up in order to be effective. This can be done via hitting opponents neutral / up special, absorbing projectiles with his down special, and I believe grabbing is included as well, though I'm not positive on that. You can sort of know how much "power" you have via Phoenix's taunt, which changes what he says every time he "powers up" his Take That.

I tested phoenix's grab numerous times but it doesn't seem to fill up his 'evidence bar'.

Bowser can fortress hog and has Koopa Klaw.

My life is complete

My main is Gooey because he has a lot of really good moves and options. My personal favorite moves are his Nair, Bair, Dair, NSpecial, and DSpecial. 

I've found that it's really easy to rack up damage with him by using Shorthop+Nair next to an opponent multiple times. As long as you stay low enough that the final hit doesn't come out, the knockback is low enough that your opponent will remain close for repeated attacks. I'm not sure if Nair can be L-Cancelled or if it autocancels (not too good with tech skill ATM), but if it can be, it's likely a really nasty move in the right hands.

It's also a lot of fun to use his NSpecial. Since you can aim it up or down as well as sideways, this creates many more combo and KO options. I love it when my opponent is recovering low and I jump off stage, use a downward NSpecial to catch them, and throw them down so low they can't come back up. I've also used this move to do chaingrabs on the top platform of Battlefield and KO opponents off the top.

In addition, his recovery is really good, especially when using the current Crusade airdodge/airdash. You can go really low or really far out and still manage to grab the edge of the stage. This is particularly helpful when you go for an off-stage edgeguard but fail, as it makes doing so less risky.

Then again, I don't really play against people, so this is just what I've gathered from playing as him against computer opponents. Even then, I still think that Gooey has the potential to be a tough matchup against many of the characters in Crusade.

L-cancel does not exist any more, all moves have a set landlag individually that cannot be altered. These values are low enough that l-canceling is completely unnecessary as a mechanic.

Alright, that's cool. That's one less tech skill I need to learn.

My mains? Hmm...I do play a lot of characters, but my mains are Lucas and Geno.

Lucas is a very combo-oriented character. His aerials are great combo starters or follow-ups, and his Specials help him follow up even better, namely Paralysis and PK Ground. Along with that, Offense Up makes his Smashes DEADLY. Whenever I have my Neutral Special charged and I land a PK Ground, Up Smash OBLITERATES more than Exodia. "Straight to the Shadow Realm! Pack it up, boys!" Also, his Zair (aerial Grab) actually grabs, allowing for some disrespectful gimp opportunities.

As for Geno, he likes to zone out his opponents. He does this with Back Air, Geno Whirl, and Forward Smash. If you didn't know, if you press an attack button as soon as Geno's Forward Smash comes out, he'll shoot his fist, just like his Back Air. Also, if you press an attack button when his Geno Whirl comes out, it'll become more powerful and do more damage. You'll know you got the timing if a yellow-blue glow surrounds Geno when he uses the move. Anyway, Geno is a really great character in my opinion. His Forward Air and Up Air combo well, as does his Up Tilt. His Neutral Air has decent knockback. His Down Tilt is a spacing move with a disjointed hitbox. Geno Blast can also cover space sometimes.

So, those are my mains.