Super Smash Bros Wii U/3DS Discussion

It would be interesting to see a small difference in the style of the two, for example the Male could be heavier and stronger, and the Female could be lighter and faster.

If the Male WFT has different stats from the Female WFT, then Sakurai has no fricking excuse to not bring back Dr. Mario with his different stats intact as a costume.

I'd be happy with alt-characters appearing as Costumes, it would mean a strong chance of seeing Alph too.

i feel like it's entirely possible he's just an assist or easter egg or something and people are just hopping on the idea of him being an alternate

the miiverse comment doesn't mention anything about him being playable

if wario had been pictured next to the waluigi assist trophy during the brawl days, would people have immediately latched onto the idea of waluigi being playable? yes

The Pumpkin King wrote:

i feel like it's entirely possible he's just an assist or easter egg or something and people are just hopping on the idea of him being an alternate

the miiverse comment doesn't mention anything about him being playable

if wario had been pictured next to the waluigi assist trophy during the brawl days, would people have immediately latched onto the idea of waluigi being playable? yes

This is true, perhaps the Male Fit Trainer is just an assist trophy or something else, we will have to wait and see!

I'd say it's a palette swap. You know how there is the palette swap of Peach with the designs of Daisy's dress and hair in both Melee and Brawl? And also Wario's Biker and Plumber outfits? That's what I think it will be. No changes playstyle-wise or stat-wise. Just a palette swap.

C_Mill24 wrote:

I'd say it's a palette swap. You know how there is the palette swap of Peach with the designs of Daisy's dress and hair in both Melee and Brawl? And also Wario's Biker and Plumber outfits? That's what I think it will be. No changes playstyle-wise or stat-wise. Just a palette swap.

This is most likely, I agree on that.

@Det: But the Male Trainer is in exactly the same pose, it's quite clear that they have the same animations.

It's just a single pose though, maybe the female one's pose was chosen specifically to match the male one.

At this point it could be absolutely any of the things already said.

The Pumpkin King wrote:

if wario had been pictured next to the waluigi assist trophy during the brawl days, would people have immediately latched onto the idea of waluigi being playable? yes

That would imply Waluigi (as well as the other Assists) weren't ugly in quality compared to the playable cast.

Not only that, but you're comparing the concept of an alternate costume to a playable character.
A more relevant comparison would be to randomly see Overalls Wario posing with default Biker Wario on Brawl's DOJO and assume it's a costume.

Except... the two Fit Trainers are very obviously not the exact same entity, unless the Wii Fit Trainer is technically neither male nor female and simply appears as one or the other depending on the player's preference or the exercise being performed. Wario wearing his biker outfit and Wario wearing his overalls are both still Wario. Are the male and female Wii Fit Trainers still the same character? This is an honest question, since I know nothing about the Wii Fit series.

However, I feel like if he was an alternate outfit, Sakurai probably would have said something along those lines, or updated Wii Fit Trainer's character page, or something. All he said was that the Wii Fit U demo was out. This is similar to when he posted the picture with Xerneas, when he mentioned that there wasn't anything to announce about X and Y. Xerneas didn't get its own character page, nor was anything mentioned about it being a Pokeball, stage hazard, or anything else. It was just there. We know Xerneas is in the game, but we don't know in what form.

I'm neither saying that the male Wii Fit Trainer is playable nor that he isn't; I'm saying it's a bit dumb for people to automatically assume he's confirmed as a playable character, when there's literally nothing that states he is. We now know that there is a male Wii Fit Trainer in the game, but nobody can say for sure that he's playable, or an assist trophy, or part of the female Wii Fit Trainer's moveset.

The Pumpkin King wrote:

Except... the two Fit Trainers are very obviously not the exact same entity, unless the Wii Fit Trainer is technically neither male nor female and simply appears as one or the other depending on the player's preference or the exercise being performed. Wario wearing his biker outfit and Wario wearing his overalls are both still Wario. Are the male and female Wii Fit Trainers still the same character? This is an honest question, since I know nothing about the Wii Fit series.

However, I feel like if he was an alternate outfit, Sakurai probably would have said something along those lines, or updated Wii Fit Trainer's character page, or something. All he said was that the Wii Fit U demo was out. This is similar to when he posted the picture with Xerneas, when he mentioned that there wasn't anything to announce about X and Y. Xerneas didn't get its own character page, nor was anything mentioned about it being a Pokeball, stage hazard, or anything else. It was just there. We know Xerneas is in the game, but we don't know in what form.

I'm neither saying that the male Wii Fit Trainer is playable nor that he isn't; I'm saying it's a bit dumb for people to automatically assume he's confirmed as a playable character, when there's literally nothing that states he is. We now know that there is a male Wii Fit Trainer in the game, but nobody can say for sure that he's playable, or an assist trophy, or part of the female Wii Fit Trainer's moveset.

If the Male Wii Fit Trainer was considered an assist trophy, if those even are confirmed yet, the redundancy would fly sky high.

The Pumpkin King wrote:

Except... the two Fit Trainers are very obviously not the exact same entity, unless the Wii Fit Trainer is technically neither male nor female and simply appears as one or the other depending on the player's preference or the exercise being performed. Wario wearing his biker outfit and Wario wearing his overalls are both still Wario. Are the male and female Wii Fit Trainers still the same character? This is an honest question, since I know nothing about the Wii Fit series.

Bingo.
The player selects their personal trainer's gender at the beginning, and occasionally the other gender will stand-in for them.


It's pretty much like selecting a gender for your player character in Pokémon, Animal Crossing, etc. Only difference is it's selecting a helper NPC.

Ok, now I at least see where everyone is coming from.

I still wouldn't call it confirmed, but I will say it seems more sensible.

I suppose think of it as the equivalent of Pikachu getting a notched tail as part of an alt.

This is quite a surprise. A Male Wii Fit Trainer.

I strongly believe, like most that this is an alternate costume.

I think the gender swap thing works for very limited characters like the Wii Fit Trainer.

The reason I say that is cause even though the female was the first one revealed, the character of Wii Fit Trainer NEVER specified that the playable role is exclusive to the female. As shown above by Golden, the Wii Fit Trainer title can go to either gender. Thankfully, Sakurai looks like he may give us both genders with the help of alternate costumes (which hasn't been fully confirmed).

If Sakurai had revealed the female back at E3 named as "Wii Fit Girl", "Wii Fit Female Trainer", or anything that specifies a gender, then the male alternate wouldn't make sense. But since "Wii Fit Trainer" is what is playable, both genders seem possible for alternate costumes. Though being the one showcased the most, I would bet that the female will be the default choice.

Actually in certain languages, such as Spanish, female nouns are used for the Trainer (probably because while "Trainer" is universal, words like "Entrenador" are male specific).
So at the very least, there will be two names for the Trainer in those languages.

In my country The Wii Fit Trainer on the dojo is Entraîneuse Wii Fit for male it would be Entraîneur Wii Fit if i choose to play as the Male Trainer they will change the name . So for me he is a Alt Costume .

"Entrenador" = Male Trainer
"Entrenadora" = Female Trainer

But anyway, I Think that it is an Alt Costume too, it´s the most logical thing to me

Keven wrote:

In my country The Wii Fit Trainer on the dojo is Entraîneuse Wii Fit for male it would be Entraîneur Wii Fit if i choose to play as the Male Trainer they will change the name . So for me he is a Alt Costume .

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Well, would you look at that!

A miniature Hocotate.

Spoiler:

Here is the description;

"Pic of the day. Is this a spaceship from Hocotate? No-this is a bomb SHAPED like a spaceship. After liftoff, it will drop down when you least expect it."

Sounds like a fake Hocotate will be a new item. I could be wrong however.

It basically is a Boom Rocket from Kid icarus: Uprising. You set it off, it flies up, and crashes down seconds later.

This could mean Olimar's final smash could change in some way. Perhaps he'll pilot the S.S. Dolphin again?

The ship looks very nice! I'm excited to see how it works, and if Olimar gets a new Final Smash!

Goddammit, I wish they'd stop showing Pyrosphere...

Link can now spike his D-Air now.

Yay, Link has lost his best kill move...?

Hopefully that spike is just a sweetspot, and the sourspot is still as powerful.

People need to read the miiverse comments.

"Pic of the day. Link's downward strike was designed to change to a Meteor Smash when the tip of the sword is aligned just right at the start. However, it will be removed if it's deemed too powerful overall after some multiplayer play tests."

It's like the Fire Spike but at the tip rather than the hilt.

Ah I see. I don't even go on miiverse, I'm just getting the news from here.

Also how would it be deemed too powerful? Unless they plan on removing meteor cancelling...?

Dry wrote:

Ah I see. I don't even go on miiverse, I'm just getting the news from here.

Also how would it be deemed too powerful? Unless they plan on removing meteor cancelling...?

It would be OP if it were a spike, not a meteor smash.

Im with Dry.  Firstly, it could probably be meteor cancelled and/or ledge/wall teched, and secondly as they said it requires perfect spacing and timing.  This is far less overpowered than Rest imo, and is also nothing to Marth's down air.  Hopefully they don't take it out, but then, they've never understood how to balance smash games even remotely correctly.

Edit
Even if it were a spike, this is still less OP than Marth's Dair or Falco's, which would be easier to land because firstly the hitboxes are likely much better for Marth/Falco and secondly because Link is not fast or combo heavy and unlike Marth/Falco, cannot combo into it. Sakurai, learn to balance please

Link has been at the low tiers for a long time. He needs this badly. Besides the hitbox will only be there at startup only.