There's going to be some.....changes regarding Agumon....

Yes, that's right, Agumon is going through another change.
This time to better represent the original Digimon virtual pets rather than the anime like WarGreymon does.

So Agumon is going to work like this.
He starts off as Agumon.
Final Smash, he Digivolves into Greymon.
Greymon's Final Smash Digivolves him into MetalGreymon (Virus), like in the Digimon virtual pet.
MetalGreymon's Final Smash is a super attack that is yet to be decided.

You may be asking, how does he change back into his previous forms?
Well, this is inspired by Digimon Rumble Arena 2. You see, when MetalGreymon or Greymon are KO'd, they De-Digivolve into one stage below.
This makes situations like if you were MetalGreymon, and you have your Final Smash ready, but you are very close to being KO'd, you have a choice between using your super attack, or saving it so that you can become MetalGreymon again once you are KO'd.

And for those who don't use Final Smashes on their matches, you can select Greymon or MetalGreymon like you would Zero Suit Samus.

perfecthell and Mercury came up with a better, more unique idea.

Basically, Agumon gets an extra meter called a Digivolution Meter. It has increments of 6 (my idea), and starts at 3. When Agumon/Greymon/MetalGreymon KO someone, they gain an increment. When they are KO'd, they lose an increment. When they have 6 increments, player imput (not decided yet) will Digivolve Agumon or Greymon. If there is 0 increments and Greymon or MetalGreymon are KO'd, they De-Digivolve to the previous form.
However, after Digivolution or De-Digivolution, the meter goes to 3 automatically, to prevent an automatic De-Digivolution after a Digivolution or another De-Digivolution.

Not too big a fan of this system, because you have no chance with Agumon or Greymon in a timed match. Crusade is a lot more FS devoted than SSBB, and with this new system as soon as Agumon digivolves, the other guy will pull out his Final Smash and KO Greymon to push him back. On other words against any player who tactically uses Final Smashes, Agumon and Greymon can essentially never win or at least have a HUGE handicap. Even if you start as Metal Greymon, one KO and you're back to square one,

It's not like Agumon and Greymon are useless while MetalGreymon is the only good one.

And if the Final Smashes are turned off, so is the De-Digivolving system.

I'm totally in favor of this. This concept makes Agumon incredibly unique.

Please don't change him again

Well since competitive doesn't use FS, I'm indifferent

Will it be selectable by other means, like ZSS in Brawl?

oh whoops lol

Lol, I plan on making this the last change for Agumon, do not worry, AEM.

BTW, can devs stop naming these decisions threads using "...." throughout? Try to sound like you actually have authority

I merely did it to parody Det's thread. -_-

Oh. Which DEFINITELY shouldn't have been named that way considering the magnitude of the decision

Well it's not like I was excited to make the announcement.

It's just that I'm the only one who can actually make announcements like that for some reason.

In any case, this topic is about Agumon. I was only pointing that out for future decisions. Back on topic?

Well, alright. Not a big fan but whatever.

Infermon wrote:

It's not like Agumon and Greymon are useless while MetalGreymon is the only good one.

And if the Final Smashes are turned off, so is the De-Digivolving system.

It still means that Agumon would be Cancer Tier in a FS enabled time match.

Why not come up with a better way to evolve that will happen a bit more often? Or alternatively make de-digivolving occur less often

Awesome Dog wrote:

Infermon wrote:

It's not like Agumon and Greymon are useless while MetalGreymon is the only good one.

And if the Final Smashes are turned off, so is the De-Digivolving system.

It still means that Agumon would be Cancer Tier in a FS enabled time match.

Again, it's not like Agumon is a crap character. Quit assuming that only his Digivolutions are going to be good.

perfecthell4 wrote:

Why not come up with a better way to evolve that will happen a bit more often? Or alternatively make de-digivolving occur less often

Because Digivolution isn't supposed to be too often. It's not a simple transformation like Zelda and Sheik, it's using energy to be able to grow into a more powerful form.

As for De-Digivolving; just don't die. Simple as that. Or alternatively, get used to playing as all three forms, seeing as Digivolution isn't necessary to win.


If this is really an issue with you guys, even if you haven't even tried this system out, then I'll do this:
-When you get KO'd, you also gain a little boost in your Final Smash meter, like in Rumble Arena 2.
-Agumon, Greymon, and MetalGreymon are able to *steal* meter from other characters by grabbing them (no throwing). This ability is "borrowed" from the Black Digimon in Digimon Rumble Arena 2.
-There is an item that is exclusive to the three. The item is a Digivice, and will just automatically digivolve an Agumon or Greymon. Does nothing to MetalGreymon or any other character that picks it up. This item will only appear during matches where an Agumon or his other forms are present when Final Smashes are turned on. This item appears even if Items are turned off.

Infermon wrote:

Awesome Dog wrote:

Infermon wrote:

It's not like Agumon and Greymon are useless while MetalGreymon is the only good one.

And if the Final Smashes are turned off, so is the De-Digivolving system.

It still means that Agumon would be Cancer Tier in a FS enabled time match.

Again, it's not like Agumon is a crap character. Quit assuming that only his Digivolutions are going to be good.

I don't think Agumon will be bad to play as, I am simply saying that by taking away his Final Smash to Digivolve then it would give him a bid disadvantage against anyone with a good FS, the KO's that the enemy gains by Final Smash are usually countered by the player's FS KO's, but with Agumon it's not possible, leaving him with a huge disadvantage.

I've added three additions to counter this issue. Check my last post.

Sounds like a decent compromise to me.

In a non-final smash game, will dying still result in de-digivloving?

Infermon wrote:

And if the Final Smashes are turned off, so is the De-Digivolving system.

As well as the extra bonuses that Agumon/Greymon/MetalGreymon get that I listed above. Those are shut off too.

Hmmm what about not depending on the smash bar. Like, after dealing and receiving a certain amount of damage Agumon starts flashing meaning that is ready to digievolve. Kind of like Wario's fart does. In this way you could also give a final smash to each form. And to not make digievolving interfere with final smashes you could probably have to hold B for some seconds or another button. Just throwing out that idea.

Wario's fart is based off of time.

Also, the system I am using is the system that Digimon RUmble Arena 2 uses.

I think diego's idea is much simpler, just make it based off of time and make Dspecial transform. When he's not ready to transform he stumbles or has an alternate move.

Then that would be combining Zelda/Sheik's gimmick with Wario's.

I'm going for something truly unique.

I think this new system is the right idea but could be altered or refined. The player should be rewarded for doing well with digivolution, and punished for failings through de-digivolution. Both of these need to happen in a way that doesn't favor one side or the other and feels right

How do you propose that to work?
The first thing that pops into my head is that every 3 KOs gets a Digivolution while every 3 Falls gets a De-Digivolution, but even then, that system may not be fair.

Three KO's or falls? That's way too much, even for a non-competitive game. If that is what you're going for then it should be one of each, but even then the system is not perfect.

New idea (Credit to PH4):
Agumon get's a special meter (may or may not be visible to the players) which fills as he lands hits and empties as he takes hits. Kills or falls significantly affect the meter in their respective directions. The meter would start halfway filled, filling it the rest leads to digivolution, emptying it leads to de-digivolution. Each time a digivolution or de-digivolution occurs, the meter is back to the halfway point. This way, doing well leads to digivolution, doing poorly leads to de-digivolution. No FS are sacrificed, and you can't immediately lose your digivolution because you died right after it.