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I just cant wait to see duck hunt dog's newcomer video. That will be sweet. Plus am I the only one hype for that smash bros music CD?

Level 6 CPU 829 Dr.CanadianBacon

StayPuft wrote:

Dry wrote:: Maybe the logic was that DHD "replaces" ICs as a retro rep?

Not saying that that's a satisfactory reason (it's not), but it's probably what's going through their heads.

The only real disappointment on the roster for me was Lucina, and only because she's a clone. I'm fine with Dark Pit and Dr. Mario, because being easy to make means they're unlikely to take a spot away from another character. Kid Icarus doesn't really have many other reps, and there isn't a cap on Mario series reps. Lucina though, is different. Just like the other two, she's easy to make, but this time she does take another character's place. It's highly unlikely that there would be five or more Fire Emblem reps. Most people were expecting two or three, and were surprised by four. So Lucina has actually actively prevented Roy's return. That's my one gripe done.

It'd be interesting to see how Shulk is balanced. The cynic in me is facepalming already.

Clone replacing a clone, much disappointment

Yeah... I also feel like if Lucina wasn't in, there'd be nobody to fill her place honestly, just my thoughts though.

Level 9 CPU 2072 C-Mill24

Dr. CanadianBacon wrote:

StayPuft wrote:

Dry wrote:: Maybe the logic was that DHD "replaces" ICs as a retro rep?

Not saying that that's a satisfactory reason (it's not), but it's probably what's going through their heads.

The only real disappointment on the roster for me was Lucina, and only because she's a clone. I'm fine with Dark Pit and Dr. Mario, because being easy to make means they're unlikely to take a spot away from another character. Kid Icarus doesn't really have many other reps, and there isn't a cap on Mario series reps. Lucina though, is different. Just like the other two, she's easy to make, but this time she does take another character's place. It's highly unlikely that there would be five or more Fire Emblem reps. Most people were expecting two or three, and were surprised by four. So Lucina has actually actively prevented Roy's return. That's my one gripe done.

It'd be interesting to see how Shulk is balanced. The cynic in me is facepalming already.

Clone replacing a clone, much disappointment

Yeah... I also feel like if Lucina wasn't in, there'd be nobody to fill her place honestly, just my thoughts though.

Waifu is in Smash so I'm happy. Yeah she's a clone, but she'll most likely have a different playstyle than Marth, so there is some variety, but not much.

Smash King 8744 EJ88201

anyone knows what happened at that conference at PAX?

2812 Dustination

They said everything that was disclosed at the conference will remain behind closed doors until the Japanese release

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C_Mill24 wrote:

Dr. CanadianBacon wrote:

StayPuft wrote:

Dry wrote:: Maybe the logic was that DHD "replaces" ICs as a retro rep?

Not saying that that's a satisfactory reason (it's not), but it's probably what's going through their heads.

The only real disappointment on the roster for me was Lucina, and only because she's a clone. I'm fine with Dark Pit and Dr. Mario, because being easy to make means they're unlikely to take a spot away from another character. Kid Icarus doesn't really have many other reps, and there isn't a cap on Mario series reps. Lucina though, is different. Just like the other two, she's easy to make, but this time she does take another character's place. It's highly unlikely that there would be five or more Fire Emblem reps. Most people were expecting two or three, and were surprised by four. So Lucina has actually actively prevented Roy's return. That's my one gripe done.

It'd be interesting to see how Shulk is balanced. The cynic in me is facepalming already.

Clone replacing a clone, much disappointment

Yeah... I also feel like if Lucina wasn't in, there'd be nobody to fill her place honestly, just my thoughts though.

Waifu is in Smash so I'm happy. Yeah she's a clone, but she'll most likely have a different playstyle than Marth, so there is some variety, but not much.

Well, I meant Roy returning in that he would be a de-cloned character. Lucina is similar enough to Marth to emulate him in the FE games, so she'd inevitably have clone-like qualities. Roy is much more different, and in fact we have our own moveset that changes him considerably. He wouldn't have been a Marth clone in Melee if he wasn't last-minute. So it's more like clone replacing a de-cloned character, much disappointment.

Level 6 CPU 873 XMister_RatburnX

Dry wrote:: Roy is much more different, and in fact we have our own moveset that changes him considerably.

Which moveset? Are you talking about a post, or are you talking about Crusade?

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HypeConduit wrote:

Dry wrote:: Roy is much more different, and in fact we have our own moveset that changes him considerably.

Which moveset? Are you talking about a post, or are you talking about Crusade?

Crusade

Smash King 8744 EJ88201

Dustination wrote:: They said everything that was disclosed at the conference will remain behind closed doors until the Japanese release

thats stupid. then why bother making the public announcement of this closed conference in the first place?

Level 6 CPU 829 Dr.CanadianBacon

Smash King wrote:

Dustination wrote:: They said everything that was disclosed at the conference will remain behind closed doors until the Japanese release

thats stupid. then why bother making the public announcement of this closed conference in the first place?

I agree. Sorry for announcing it, I honestly thought stuff would be revealed, but alas, nothing.
I am curious what was discussed though... Damn it Sakurai.

5271 Ganonthegreat

Smash King wrote:

Dustination wrote:: They said everything that was disclosed at the conference will remain behind closed doors until the Japanese release

thats stupid. then why bother making the public announcement of this closed conference in the first place?

It really wasn't publicly announced. The only reason we knew it was going to happen was GameXplain. They probably figured that because everybody was going to be a PAX they should use the opportunity to give the press a head start.

3856 cellularSP

Dry wrote:

C_Mill24 wrote:

Dr. CanadianBacon wrote:

StayPuft wrote:

Dry wrote:: Maybe the logic was that DHD "replaces" ICs as a retro rep?

Not saying that that's a satisfactory reason (it's not), but it's probably what's going through their heads.

The only real disappointment on the roster for me was Lucina, and only because she's a clone. I'm fine with Dark Pit and Dr. Mario, because being easy to make means they're unlikely to take a spot away from another character. Kid Icarus doesn't really have many other reps, and there isn't a cap on Mario series reps. Lucina though, is different. Just like the other two, she's easy to make, but this time she does take another character's place. It's highly unlikely that there would be five or more Fire Emblem reps. Most people were expecting two or three, and were surprised by four. So Lucina has actually actively prevented Roy's return. That's my one gripe done.

It'd be interesting to see how Shulk is balanced. The cynic in me is facepalming already.

Clone replacing a clone, much disappointment

Yeah... I also feel like if Lucina wasn't in, there'd be nobody to fill her place honestly, just my thoughts though.

Waifu is in Smash so I'm happy. Yeah she's a clone, but she'll most likely have a different playstyle than Marth, so there is some variety, but not much.

Well, I meant Roy returning in that he would be a de-cloned character. Lucina is similar enough to Marth to emulate him in the FE games, so she'd inevitably have clone-like qualities. Roy is much more different, and in fact we have our own moveset that changes him considerably. He wouldn't have been a Marth clone in Melee if he wasn't last-minute. So it's more like clone replacing a de-cloned character, much disappointment.

Thats implying Sakurai would actually declone him

4607

Hm. Do you think Sakurai makes clones for the sake of making clones? I always thought it was more the fact that cloned characters (all the Melee ones, some of the Brawl ones, even Luigi in SSB64) were last-minute additions, and they'd certainly be more different if there had been the time.

3856 cellularSP

Well Sakurai would probably make him different in a few varying areas

but looking at someone like Ganondorf who at the bare-bones is still captain falcon despite changes, I wouldn't believe that Sakurai would fully de-clone Roy

5271 Ganonthegreat

Wow today's POTD pretty much changed everything.

All-Star Mode is available from the start with characters added as you unlock them. Sakurai says the way to tell if there are still more characters to come is if there's a lock on the All-Star screen.

This is hugely significant to everybody following the leak. The menu screen shown for the leak contained a lock which means there's a very strong chance that the roster shown was incomplete and there still is more to come. Also a lot of people were worried because in the 5 minute trailer that accidentally confirmed Ganondorf there was a shot of All-Star Mode that featured Ridley's year but with a stunning lack of him.

Level 6 CPU 829 Dr.CanadianBacon

This is a good way to have all-star mode, because it wouldn't be difficult to add DLC!
Sakurai you genius.

Level 6 CPU 705 nah

I just had a thought with this all star mode and the leaks.

and its in here. Leak spoilers:

Well? Any objections?

2812 Dustination

Gamey DJ wrote:

I just had a thought with this all star mode and the leaks.

and its in here. Leak spoilers:

Well? Any objections?

I don't think there will be any character reveals after the Japanese version releases.

Level 6 CPU 829 Dr.CanadianBacon

Today's pic of the day shows every Samus outfit possible, it's pretty cool. I think one of them is also in Project M (Light Suit). Seeing that every character is having 8 costumes, that means there are 8 Pikachu hats, and 8 Jigglypuff hats. That's pretty neat.

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One of them being Dark Samus. At least you can play as her, somewhat.

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Wait so are Lucina, Dark Pit and Dr. Mario alternate costumes? Are they playable characters? Would the second option make any sense at all?

Level 6 CPU 873 XMister_RatburnX

Dry wrote:: Wait so are Lucina, Dark Pit and Dr. Mario alternate costumes? Are they playable characters? Would the second option make any sense at all?

Lucina is a completely different character, and Dark Pit and Dr. Mario are expected to be as well.

Level 2 CPU 20

i look the news characters

this killager

and this

and this

this is good hein? I love you

5271 Ganonthegreat

I must say with characters like Robin, WFT, Villager and Mii's, Sakurai really seems to have a thing for non-descriptive human analogs.

Level 6 CPU 873 XMister_RatburnX

Ganonthegreat wrote:: I must say with characters like Robin, WFT, Villager and Mii's, Sakurai really seems to have a thing for non-descriptive human analogs.

With fill-in-the-blanks characters like these, some players will probably have an easier time sinking in to Smash 4's environment. You have to admit, it's probably hard to place yourself in the shoes of characters like Shulk and Pit who have definitive profiles from a single game.

5271 Ganonthegreat

HypeConduit wrote:

Ganonthegreat wrote:: I must say with characters like Robin, WFT, Villager and Mii's, Sakurai really seems to have a thing for non-descriptive human analogs.

With fill-in-the-blanks characters like these, some players will probably have an easier time sinking in to Smash 4's environment. You have to admit, it's probably hard to place yourself in the shoes of characters like Shulk and Pit who have definitive profiles from a single game.

I suppose Robin has character, I don't think he/she's a silent protagonist. The other yeah they're pretty emotionless.

Level 6 CPU 829 Dr.CanadianBacon

Ganonthegreat wrote:

HypeConduit wrote:

Ganonthegreat wrote:: I must say with characters like Robin, WFT, Villager and Mii's, Sakurai really seems to have a thing for non-descriptive human analogs.

With fill-in-the-blanks characters like these, some players will probably have an easier time sinking in to Smash 4's environment. You have to admit, it's probably hard to place yourself in the shoes of characters like Shulk and Pit who have definitive profiles from a single game.

I suppose Robin has character, I don't think he/she's a silent protagonist. The other yeah they're pretty emotionless.

Robin does indeed have a character, I love his character (I recently bought Fire Emblem Awakening, great game honestly).

But I do agree with the other 3... probably because I only used the default Robin since I felt it was fitting.

Level 6 CPU 873 XMister_RatburnX

I think of it at first as sort of a silly thing, but the more I think about it, Gender swaps for every character would be really, really cool. I obviously wouldn't ever suggest it to be put in the game, but if it were to happen, that would be neat. There's probably a good handful of characters you wouldn't want to see swapped, but regardless, it'd be interesting. If the Wii U ever gets full mod potential, I know what mod I'll be seeing first.

4607

HypeConduit wrote:: There's probably a good handful of characters you wouldn't want to see swapped, but regardless, it'd be interesting. If the Wii U ever gets full mod potential, I know what mod I'll be seeing first.

By that you mean every character with a canon gender?

Level 6 CPU 873 XMister_RatburnX

Dry wrote:

HypeConduit wrote:: There's probably a good handful of characters you wouldn't want to see swapped, but regardless, it'd be interesting. If the Wii U ever gets full mod potential, I know what mod I'll be seeing first.

By that you mean every character with a canon gender?

Hey man, to each their own.

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