Kirby Discussion

I think you should go for disturbed kirby. That dude has some steam going.

Nix~ wrote:

I think you should go for disturbed kirby. That dude has some steam going.

Trust me, I was legitimately going to make a Revamped version of Disturbed Kirby in the Wall of Shame Thread as a Halloween Joke
But then my internet died for 2 weeks and I just came back and now there's no time for that.
RIP.

Abilities Kirby would be better, one who uses different abilities in each of his attacks.
It also should have Melee's Kirby Dash Attack (the Burning ability).

Kirb-Star wrote:

Abilities Kirby would be better, one who uses different abilities in each of his attacks.
It also should have Melee's Kirby Dash Attack (the Burning ability).

I love how you perfectly guessed what I'm making.
Directly on the nose.
Milky Way Kirby, comin' soon.
Don't hold your breath on the Burning thing, I'm thinkin' o Wheel

Bedoop Bro wrote:

Kirb-Star wrote:

Abilities Kirby would be better, one who uses different abilities in each of his attacks.
It also should have Melee's Kirby Dash Attack (the Burning ability).

I love how you perfectly guessed what I'm making.
Directly on the nose.
Milky Way Kirby, comin' soon.
Don't hold your breath on the Burning thing, I'm thinkin' o Wheel

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Wheel would make for a ridiculous down throw.

Kirby throws the enemy at the ground and then grinds on their face.

sonic clone

I personally think Kirby should get a copy ability exactly like the one in smash, where he gets a hat and the neutral special of the character inhaled. That may sound like one hell of a workload, but the thing is, you've already basically coded it, and spriting it would literally be as simple as taking the sprite of Kirby and adding something distinct from the character inhaled (Which, for every character except Game&Watch, where you could just turn Kirby black, is on the original sprite). For example, if Kirby inhaled, lets say, Weegee, he would get the Weegee face, of course. For more wonky characters like Petey, Porky, and Snivy, I made a full document for what all the hats could be, and if you want me to sprite or design them, I might be able to do that as well

(Doc) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TV7kbs4JkiiPwvOnP38-Wnw1OSA9QzKPslHQIVMFLDQ/edit?usp=sharing

Did you even read this thread

Snipes88 wrote:

I personally think Kirby should get a copy ability exactly like the one in smash, where he gets a hat and the neutral special of the character inhaled. That may sound like one hell of a workload, but the thing is, you've already basically coded it, and spriting it would literally be as simple as taking the sprite of Kirby and adding something distinct from the character inhaled (Which, for every character except Game&Watch, where you could just turn Kirby black, is on the original sprite). For example, if Kirby inhaled, lets say, Weegee, he would get the Weegee face, of course. For more wonky characters like Petey, Porky, and Snivy, I made a full document for what all the hats could be, and if you want me to sprite or design them, I might be able to do that as well

(Doc) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TV7kbs4JkiiPwvOnP38-Wnw1OSA9QzKPslHQIVMFLDQ/edit?usp=sharing

I recommend looking through this thread. One of the devs said there is a reason for not having Kirby Hats, I remember it being some problem with loading times or something.

If I recall... Bloated File Size, Added effort, load times. One that also came to mind is that the current way also mimics Kirby games more (Because multiple opponents give you an ability)

Also, balancing.

What if instead of making Kirby copy ability's from its home series it could absorb the other characters true ability also their hats.

That topic has already been talked about, and it's unlikely due to the spriting and coding

Poyo!!

OmegaSteve777 wrote:

Mario-Fire
Luigi-Spark
Weegee-Laser
Peach-Parasol
Toad-Poison
Bowser-Fire
Petey Piranha-Leaf
Waluigi-Tornado
Wario-Fighter
Ashley-Clean
Donkey Kong-Animal
Yoshi-Whip
Geno-Laser
Pikachu-Spark
Pichu-Spark
Jigglypuff-Wheel (Mike would be OP)
Mewtwo-ESP
Lucario-Fighting or Metal
Snivy-Whip or Leaf
Samus-Bomb
Zero Suit Samus-Whip
Ridley-Fire
Link-Sword or Archer
Toon Link-Sword or Archer (Probably could alternate between the two, one could have sword, while the other has archer)
Ganondorf-Poison
Tingle-
Olimar-Leaf
Marth-Sword
Fox-Jet
Falco-Jet
Krystal-Spear
Captain Falcon-Wheel, but I believe that Kirby already has the falcon punch (I think I read that on the forum somewhere)
Kirby-Nothing
Gooey-Whip
Meta Knight-Sword
Ness-ESP or Yo-Yo
Lucas-ESP
Porky-Needle or Bomb
Little Mac-Fighting
Saki-Laser or Sword or maybe Spear or maybe Cutter
Ice Climbers-Ice
R.O.B.-Laser or Beam
Duck Hunt Dog-Bomb or Animal
Mach Rider-Wheel
Mr. Game & Watch-Circus
Snake-Bomb
Bomberman-Bomb
Sonic-Wheel
Tails-Tornado
Knuckles-Fighting
Shadow-ESP
Ristar-Whip
Rayman-Fighting or Wing or Tornado
Crash Bandicoot- Animal or Tornado
Mega Man-Beam
Ryu-Fighter
Evil Ryu-Fighter
Chun-Li-Fighter
Phoenix Wright-Needle
Pac-Man-Ghost
Klonoa-Animal or Magic
Goku-Fighting

Dr. Mario-Doctor
Shantae-Magic

I've excluded Stone and Hammer because Kirby already has those abilities. Cutter is fine because it works a bit differently in his moveset.

For some reason, When Kirby inhales Weegee, he gets the Falcon Punch ability.

MonadoBoy16 wrote:

OmegaSteve777 wrote:

Mario-Fire
Luigi-Spark
Weegee-Laser
Peach-Parasol
Toad-Poison
Bowser-Fire
Petey Piranha-Leaf
Waluigi-Tornado
Wario-Fighter
Ashley-Clean
Donkey Kong-Animal
Yoshi-Whip
Geno-Laser
Pikachu-Spark
Pichu-Spark
Jigglypuff-Wheel (Mike would be OP)
Mewtwo-ESP
Lucario-Fighting or Metal
Snivy-Whip or Leaf
Samus-Bomb
Zero Suit Samus-Whip
Ridley-Fire
Link-Sword or Archer
Toon Link-Sword or Archer (Probably could alternate between the two, one could have sword, while the other has archer)
Ganondorf-Poison
Tingle-
Olimar-Leaf
Marth-Sword
Fox-Jet
Falco-Jet
Krystal-Spear
Captain Falcon-Wheel, but I believe that Kirby already has the falcon punch (I think I read that on the forum somewhere)
Kirby-Nothing
Gooey-Whip
Meta Knight-Sword
Ness-ESP or Yo-Yo
Lucas-ESP
Porky-Needle or Bomb
Little Mac-Fighting
Saki-Laser or Sword or maybe Spear or maybe Cutter
Ice Climbers-Ice
R.O.B.-Laser or Beam
Duck Hunt Dog-Bomb or Animal
Mach Rider-Wheel
Mr. Game & Watch-Circus
Snake-Bomb
Bomberman-Bomb
Sonic-Wheel
Tails-Tornado
Knuckles-Fighting
Shadow-ESP
Ristar-Whip
Rayman-Fighting or Wing or Tornado
Crash Bandicoot- Animal or Tornado
Mega Man-Beam
Ryu-Fighter
Evil Ryu-Fighter
Chun-Li-Fighter
Phoenix Wright-Needle
Pac-Man-Ghost
Klonoa-Animal or Magic
Goku-Fighting

Dr. Mario-Doctor
Shantae-Magic

I've excluded Stone and Hammer because Kirby already has those abilities. Cutter is fine because it works a bit differently in his moveset.

For some reason, When Kirby inhales Weegee, he gets the Falcon Punch ability.

That's probably due to meme reasons, because the Falcon Punch was a meme a bit ago.

I haven't read all the thread, so maybe someone already mentioned this, but i really think they should put the proper abilities, with custom sprites of course, and i do know that IS HELL to do, i draw and have attempted (failing) to do some pixel art and is very difficult, but if you wanna make a smash fangame, you're exposing to this, not making the abilities into kirby's moveset would just be falling into mediocrity.

No, they should keep the ability style they have now. Makes it different to the rest.

Just no.

The benefit to the idea of having all the Smash hats and abilities, plus Crusade characters, for a single character is very minimal.

First off, a character has a good 50+ animations with hundreds to almost a thousand frames in a single file. Having to resprite a Kirby to visually have the hat, plus an additional animation for the special ability inherited is a huge workload.

Secondly, as mentioned it will make loading time when Kirby will be playable in a match soo much more longer, especially in a 6 player match. Not to mention the amount of space it would take up in the game data itself. Imagine a 50-60 character files times two. This is not including future additions to the roster.

Third, it's a waste of the Spriters time. Thousands of frames edited for a single character when that time could be invested into a Crusade Newcomer. Not saying anything bad about Kirby, but with a roster of 50-60 and more to comes, would you play Kirby more or less than you do now? After being in the official Smash in each title, would Kirby having these abilities encourage you to play him more? There is a massive roster and not everyone will continuously play other. Some will main him while some will likely play him to see the abilities but that's about it. Doesn't sound like it's all worth all that work.

What we have now works perfectly fine.

Yes, you're right, while i think it would be pretty awesome to have the abilities and would make the game more complete, it would be a waste of time, and data, so forget what i said, however, (and again, i dunno if someone already said this) i think not only for Kirby, but for a lot of characters in crusade that already are in the official games, they should have a new moveset, like Kirby, it's exactly the same as in the official smash games, and there's so much where to grab to make him a unique character, i mean, if i wanted to play the same character, i would choose the official games and that's it, so at least the special moves should be changed (and for god's sake give him his goddamn slide he does have it in every single kirby game and it isn't in almost any smash game i played).

I mean on one side i say yes he should have a new move set, but on the other i say keep him the way he is, be cause not only is his old moveset his go to moveset since 64, but it is also his simplist moveset throughout the smash series. And I think that changing his set would not only make him not kirby but also make him lose that simplicity he had for years.

Koletrain904 wrote:

I mean on one side i say yes he should have a new move set, but on the other i say keep him the way he is, be cause not only is his old moveset his go to moveset since 64, but it is also his simplist moveset throughout the smash series. And I think that changing his set would not only make him not kirby but also make him lose that simplicity he had for years.

It's true, but i think there are some really cool things that could be done with Kirby, and apply only to him, making him unique, like for example his grab could mimic his Suplex ability in its entirety, instead of being a mishmash of Ninja and some suplex here and there (and his damn slide of course), i know that Kirby is supposed to be simple, to teach new players to get into the game too, but at this point, i see that as a mere excuse for falling into mediocrity, and Kirby's not my only example, to name one, Meta Knight is also hella uninspired, and he has various playable and boss appearances to get moves from, look, maybe it's my bias to the Kirby series since i'm a huge fan, but in general i feel it's a little unappreciated at times, even on the official Smash series (like really it's been 10 years of games after Sakurai left and he's still putting stages from games like Kirby Super Star or Kirby's Dream Land), and the least i could want is some retouches to make the characters more faithful to their games, or stand out more.

And where the heck is King Dedede? Gooey is perfect tho, i love Gooey.

Character Alts started as something you could make with minimal Effort:
-Little Mac may have a Crusade and a Smash WiiU moveset, but the WiiU Alt still uses Crusade Sprites
-Another example, Marth has Alts for Tipper (Marth), Centered (Melee Roy) and Spread (Lucina) hitboxes.

There was absolutely 0 need to make new sprites from scratch for those alts.
Suggesting to change Kirby's moveset and add an alt just to accomodate more Copy abilities is basically asking for almost a newcomer altogether and should be treated as such.

Ninja's Air Drop as Kirby's Up-Throw is rad, why would you ever think to remove it

Athorment wrote:

Character Alts started as something you could make with minimal Effort:
-Little Mac may have a Crusade and a Smash WiiU moveset, but the WiiU Alt still uses Crusade Sprites
-Another example, Marth has Alts for Tipper (Marth), Centered (Melee Roy) and Spread (Lucina) hitboxes.

There was absolutely 0 need to make new sprites from scratch for those alts.
Suggesting to change Kirby's moveset and add an alt just to accomodate more Copy abilities is basically asking for almost a newcomer altogether and should be treated as such.

Oh come on, you're saying that like you need to make new Kirby sprites from scratch, while you can just rip them from Super Star Ultra or Nightmare in Dream Land and Amazing Mirror like you've been doing, i understand the problem to make new sprites, but Kirby has TONS of sprites already made of different abilities that you could implement, i don't think i'm actually asking for much here, since the sprites which is apparently the hardest part about doing characters is already done.

Kíbito wrote:

Oh come on, you're saying that like you need to make new Kirby sprites from scratch, while you can just rip them from Super Star Ultra or Nightmare in Dream Land and Amazing Mirror like you've been doing

I dont know if you've been paying attention at all, but Crusade no longer uses sprites from official games ever since the resprite process began. Otherwise we would have seen more newcomers by now instead of the team focusing on resprited Marth and Fox.

Does that mean the Sonic cast is getting resprited, despite the sprites being pretty high quality?

Braystar wrote:

Does that mean the Sonic cast is getting resprited, despite the sprites being pretty high quality?

It means that we arent adding any more official/used sprites

Ah ok, thanks for answering

I think an alt where Kirby loses his inhale ability and instead has the different abilities he has when inhaling characters would be cool, like for example his fire breath move is neutral special, up special is the uppercut or he uses the sword abilities for n-air or the tilts.