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I'm very well appreciative and was shocked to see 6 character slots SSBC V0.9 demo..............I'm so hype




I would be extremely thankful if you guys can make it go up to 8.............It's the perfect number, and its not too excessive like 12 or 16.......



Keep in mind that if Crusade goes up to 8 players............It will be the only Smash iteration that has this and the one with most superior Multiplayer or flexibility for more possible modes (like Royal Rumble).............With Melee coming in 2nd with it's hacked 6-Man Melee capability
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super sweaty ice climbers anal orgy 2013

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Then? don't play with them.....

It's just 2 more slots


we already have 6
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Just? You don't understand how much madness this would be, especially for smaller maps, and before you say "Just don't play on them" or "Make them larger for 8-Man battles" that would require more work. It would be a very low priority and doesn't seem necessary at all. So if you'd be so kind to deal with 6 players, that'd be great.

I vote no.
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Six is plenty, eight is bordering unplayable on certain stages IMO.
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Dr.CanadianBacon wrote:
Just? You don't understand how much madness this would be, especially for smaller maps, and before you say "Just don't play on them" or "Make them larger for 8-Man battles" that would require more work. It would be a very low priority and doesn't seem necessary at all. So if you'd be so kind to deal with 6 players, that'd be great.

I vote no.
I'm not saying that at all, you don't have to put more stages or anything. The stages in the game are fine....."deal with 6 players"?? calm down guys, It's just preference

I still like my 1on1's and once again nobody is forcing you to play like this


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mikeyn1gm wrote:
Dr.CanadianBacon wrote:
Just? You don't understand how much madness this would be, especially for smaller maps, and before you say "Just don't play on them" or "Make them larger for 8-Man battles" that would require more work. It would be a very low priority and doesn't seem necessary at all. So if you'd be so kind to deal with 6 players, that'd be great.

I vote no.
I'm not saying that at all, you don't have to put more stages or anything. The stages in the game are fine....."deal with 6 players"?? calm down guys, It's just preference

I still like my 1on1's and once again nobody is forcing you to play like this


Of course nobody would force us to play like this, it's just more work and wouldn't work for many stages or a few characters (Ice Climbers, Olimar, others that haven't been announced...) so I vote no. Simple as that.
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Dr.CanadianBacon wrote:
mikeyn1gm wrote:
Dr.CanadianBacon wrote:
Just? You don't understand how much madness this would be, especially for smaller maps, and before you say "Just don't play on them" or "Make them larger for 8-Man battles" that would require more work. It would be a very low priority and doesn't seem necessary at all. So if you'd be so kind to deal with 6 players, that'd be great.

I vote no.
I'm not saying that at all, you don't have to put more stages or anything. The stages in the game are fine....."deal with 6 players"?? calm down guys, It's just preference

I still like my 1on1's and once again nobody is forcing you to play like this


Of course nobody would force us to play like this, it's just more work and wouldn't work for many stages or a few characters (Ice Climbers, Olimar, others that haven't been announced...) so I vote no. Simple as that.
Glad that's finally pushed aside.....Now, What's more work? How would it not work for many stages?

If you honestly do pick All Ice Climbers and such under any amount of players in a match then you are asking for a war........and with that in mind, once again it's already up to 6! how is a small number increase of 2 DRASTICALLY different from 6?? The stages are fine and I see no critical difference in the capacity of "6-to-8" compared to "6-to-12 or 16 players" which is now more obviously excessive


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It was tested over 6. The game actually was quite a bit unplayable with so many people on-stage, especially when they were all Ice Climbers. We'd rather keep away from possibilities to break the game.
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Ever hear of Final Destination? It's not a big map and wouldn't work well with 8 players, nor would many other stages due to their size. More work would also have to be put in to make the 8 players, and into the menu as well, and more pallettes would have to be done for every character which is WAY more work as well (Because if you have 8 Mario's, there is only 6/7 pallettes, wouldn't work). I think 6 is enough. Simple as that. But I do respect your decision, but I just don't see it working correctly.
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GigaPichu wrote:
It was tested over 6. The game actually was quite a bit unplayable with so many people on-stage, especially when they were all Ice Climbers. We'd rather keep away from possibilities to break the game.
So your saying the game started crashing/slowing down?
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Dr.CanadianBacon wrote:
Ever hear of Final Destination? It's not a big map and wouldn't work well with 8 players, nor would many other stages due to their size. More work would also have to be put in to make the 8 players, and into the menu as well, and more pallettes would have to be done for every character which is WAY more work as well (Because if you have 8 Mario's, there is only 6/7 pallettes, wouldn't work). I think 6 is enough. Simple as that. But I do respect your decision, but I just don't see it working correctly.
I see you more reasonable in this response............I honestly didn't think about the palette swaps, and that does qualify as more work....even if its 2 more for every casual character...........It would be 2x more making for the Ice Climbers.....

Although I really don't mind fighting 8 on FD for a "Mosh Pit" styled fight.......I already had that in mind Lmao xD just in case your saying it won't work because of the space available with the capacity on a stage like that........And of course it's definitely a plus for the more bigger stages and Battle Royal/Ultimate Multiplayer smash experience

But yeah, I totally agree with you on the pallette swap thing and I respect your disagreeance with my suggestion on that matter.......I don't want this to be "Too much work" for the dudes or "Game Crash" worthy but not all this negativity on some of people don't like it or not.......That's the area of preference just like many other fighting games with their variety of modes

If all those technical/labor concerns aren't a problem then I'm supporting this suggestion on a "IF POSSIBLE IN THE FUTURE" basis
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I simply must say no, i don´t want this to be some SSB Rumble with 16 characters on screen
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Nope.
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Boosting it up to 8 would not be a reasonable choice. We recently had to expand the size of most of our stages due to the 6 players. Something that is a lot of work now that we have to focus on stage perspectives, textures, etc. We have tons of other contents that needs focus as well, so reworking something for the 3rd time will only delay everything else in the plannings.

Also, maybe its just me, but I notice that matches have much more lag with 6 players compared to matches with less than 6. If 6 players cause such lag, I can't even imagine what lag 8 players will bring, none the less Online.

I will have to agree with the others and say that 8 players is not beneficial due to reworking stages (again) and lags.
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Smash King wrote:

Boosting it up to 8 would not be a reasonable choice. We recently had to expand the size of most of our stages due to the 6 players. Something that is a lot of work now that we have to focus on stage perspectives, textures, etc. We have tons of other contents that needs focus as well, so reworking something for the 3rd time will only delay everything else in the plannings.

Also, maybe its just me, but I notice that matches have much more lag with 6 players compared to matches with less than 6. If 6 players cause such lag, I can't even imagine what lag 8 players will bring, none the less Online.

I will have to agree with the others and say that 8 players is not beneficial due to reworking stages (again) and lags.
Well I don't mean now........I mean something maybe in the distant future if its not still a negetive factor with progress....

I didn't mean for everybody to think that it was an immediate suggestion

I just wanted to know if it can be taken into consideration...........I understand theres things to hurdle
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Oh no, its understood that its not an immediate request. lol.

Though even if it was for a distant future, it would be much harder to add into the game. Reason cause in the distant future, we will have far more stages than we do now, mind you that redoing stages to fit 6 players with our current stage roster is a challenge as it is. So imagine how it would be when we have tons more stages in the future. And think about this. If we enlarge stages to be fitting for 8 players, this will mean all stages will be enlarge even for 2 player fights. Things like these will cause 1 vs 1 matches to last much longer and give advantages for cheap players to run & stall matches.

Also, you have to take into consideration that we will also have a massive character roster. The character select screen will be cluttered with character mugshots (unless we do separate CSS pages), so making room for 2 extra player slots will be complicated without minimizing the entire CSS.

Even if the previous paragraphs don't prove to be an issue, just the idea of 8 players during the same fight would be too much. It sounds appealing, but a line needs to be drawn somewhere to where we can say "Ok, I think this is as far as we can go.".

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6 players is and always will be enough.
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Smash King wrote:

Oh no, its understood that its not an immediate request. lol.

Though even if it was for a distant future, it would be much harder to add into the game. Reason cause in the distant future, we will have far more stages than we do now, mind you that redoing stages to fit 6 players with our current stage roster is a challenge as it is. So imagine how it would be when we have tons more stages in the future. And think about this. If we enlarge stages to be fitting for 8 players, this will mean all stages will be enlarge even for 2 player fights. Things like these will cause 1 vs 1 matches to last much longer and give advantages for cheap players to run & stall matches.

Also, you have to take into consideration that we will also have a massive character roster. The character select screen will be cluttered with character mugshots (unless we do separate CSS pages), so making room for 2 extra player slots will be complicated without minimizing the entire CSS.

Even if the previous paragraphs don't prove to be an issue, just the idea of 8 players during the same fight would be too much. It sounds appealing, but a line needs to be drawn somewhere to where we can say "Ok, I think this is as far as we can go.".

Understood.........I'm still very thankful that you guys actually went that extra mile to go for 6 so I'm happy with that

I Hope theres a game that would be able accomdate 8 players one day.......I've always hoped for it ever since Action Replay with SSBM took me by surprised

I always wanted to have a Team of an Ultimate Mario Bros (Mario,Luigi,Wario,Waluigi) versus whoever lol
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Why though?
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AEM wrote:
Why though?

Why....what exactly?
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mikeyn1gm wrote:
AEM wrote:
Why though?
Why....what exactly?
He's asking why you want a Smash Bros game, whether fan made or official, to have a gimmick of having 8 players.
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C_Mill24 wrote:
mikeyn1gm wrote:
AEM wrote:
Why though?
Why....what exactly?
He's asking why you want a Smash Bros game, whether fan made or official, to have a gimmick of having 8 players.
Well for me........More is.....even more fun i guess lol.........It's hard to explain


But I really love games where Many people can fight and you can have alot of friends at your house or Online with any combination including AI.....


One really great fighting game that was Ultimate in this sense was Guardian Heroes with its 12 player maximum.........Really nice game......too bad the online was poorly made for the Remastered version


I would really like a smash game with 8 players (Pretty much 2x the normal amount and It's the perfect number and not as much as GH)..........you can have a battle royal type of fight or maybe team up with 3 other friends to take on another team of fighters online or AI in combination once again......

None the less I'm really proud of Crusade right now.......It's mechanics are really awesome, It has unique deserving characters and I just realized that despite Melee having 6 slots (AR or Crazy Mod) Crusade ACTUALLY lets you play WITH 6 HUMAN PLAYERS......so that is a big plus and I have a huge respect for the dudes who maintained all of this at the same time
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First low the graphics right?
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danick wrote:
First low the graphics right?
low....the graphics???
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why do you..................use so many ellipses..............
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madam im adam wrote:
why do you..................use so many ellipses..............
This thread just got weird, everybody looks lost now Lmao xD.......I don't know what you mean by "ellipses"?
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mikeyn1gm wrote:
madam im adam wrote:
why do you..................use so many ellipses..............
This thread just got weird, everybody looks lost now Lmao xD.......I don't know what you mean by "ellipses"?
"..." <--- This is an ellipses.
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C_Mill24 wrote:
mikeyn1gm wrote:
madam im adam wrote:
why do you..................use so many ellipses..............
This thread just got weird, everybody looks lost now Lmao xD.......I don't know what you mean by "ellipses"?
"..." <--- This is an ellipses.
Oh ok, my bad. That's just how I express myself on internet, chatting and texting. The only time I don't use it is when I have to be completely professional.
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Yeah,I do agree with what Smash King was saying. 6-Players is more than enough and he was correct about how 6-player matches would cause more lag than less than 6-player matches. Even in the future I feel like it should be kept at 6-players at max. One interesting fact is that there is a SSF2 player who thought that the new 6-Player thing was stupid but when he played the game himself he actually enjoyed it if you told him this he would definitely think that this would be plain ridiculous.
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