The Great Debate Thread (Topic: Nintendo's Struggle With Audience)

For those of you who have been on the forum for sometime, your very familiar with one thing. That thing being that almost all debates and discussions are Crusade-related. Obviously cause this forum is for the fan game itself. Though, there comes a time where there is no discussions concerning Crusade since everything is covered and answered at this point. Thus leading to a silent community.

Today, I want to introduce this thread for more reasons than one. This is the Great Debate Thread. Reasons for this are simple. This is to give people something to discuss in a debatable perspective that isn't Crusade. It may even benefit an individual poster by improving their skills in arguments & debates. Plus, it can also help in a teamwork fashion by adding on to the arguments. It also keeps the community active and share their opinions more frequently.

This is how the Great Debate Topic will work. We will decide on a topic, it can relate to anything outside of Crusade as long as it isn't a subject that breaks the Global Forum Rules. For example, religious topics are not eligible to be a topic to debate on.

For the debate, there will be 2 teams. Team A being the team that agrees, while Team B are the ones who disagree. You may not join the debate without picking a side, no in-between. Members can switch sides if they are convinced that the opposite team stands more corrected.

The Debate is over and a new topic begins in 2 ways. One being if there are no members remaining on a team, or whichever team has the most members by the time the topic dies out. The topic will have a 7 day time span between each argument. If one member on the team doesn't respond with a valid argument within 7 days of the last argument, the team with the most members win.

The winning team will then eventually get to elect the individual who was most effective on their team. That elected person gets to pick the next topic to debate about.

Here are the current teams

Team A (Agree)
- Smash King

Team B (Disagree)
- MercuryHg34
- AEM
- Gamefreak

Let the Topic Votes begin

Whatever the topic is, make sure PH4 and Golden are on opposite teams so it's interesting.

Or put them on the same team, that would be fun too.

In fact, lets find a topic where everyone but those two agree and then watch the two of them change everyone's minds.

1st topic could be an all-star battle, like Link vs Cloud or Samus vs Master Cheif (those were really generic examples, but you get what I mean).

How about Team C? The "You're all wrong" Team?

Or the topic can be what the first topic should be.

MercuryHg34 wrote:

Or the topic can be what the first topic should be.

Damn, I was just about to post that.

Second, I guess.

The thing is Mercury is that I'm hoping that everyone who is on a team gets involved in the discussion rather than just sitting back & letting someone like Golden & PH do all the talking.

ok, so we got these ideas so far

-VS Debate (character Vs character)

I would like to add in another topic.

-Has creativity in the music industry become limited over the years?

I would like to add this topic:

-Is Nintendo heading down the path to hell, or can they rebound their current misfortunes?

SK's suggestion is pretty interesting too, I'd vote for that.

Is Nintendo's neglect for English-speaking nations in regards to the production/shipping error of Fire Emblem Awakening worth boycotting Nintendo in the future?

W'ever bro I'm mad as hell.

Alright, I'm going to add another stipulation to this concept to really drive a motive here.

That being this. The winning team elects the person who has been most effective on their team. That elected person gets to pick the next topic. Fair enough?

This is the topics we have for suggestions
NOTE: We are not voting the topic yet, just suggesting.

- VS Battle (contestants will soon be determined)
- Limited Creativity In Music Industry
- Nintendo's Struggle With Audience

@Azurelight, I think your question relates more to our 3rd suggestion, so I may leave it at that rather than its own suggestion.

ALSO: Others Mods/Admins are free to edit or host this Thread.

AzureLight12 wrote:

Is Nintendo's neglect for English-speaking nations in regards to the production/shipping error of Fire Emblem Awakening worth boycotting Nintendo in the future?

W'ever bro I'm mad as hell.

Even though you can still buy the game on the eshop

yeah okay

AEM wrote:

AzureLight12 wrote:

Is Nintendo's neglect for English-speaking nations in regards to the production/shipping error of Fire Emblem Awakening worth boycotting Nintendo in the future?

W'ever bro I'm mad as hell.

Even though you can still buy the game on the eshop

yeah okay

Without a doubt I'd much rather the cartridge because A, novelty. B, sale-back. and C, game case/instruction booklet, which I like to read for aesthetic pleasure.

If this continues to be an issue though, I will resort to the eShop.

Poll added.

why such strict guidelines
just have a basic thread that allows anyone to bring up a topic at any set time and people who think a certain way can express themselves that way rather than "teams"

whatever wrote:

why such strict guidelines
just have a basic thread that allows anyone to bring up a topic at any set time and people who think a certain way can express themselves that way rather than "teams"

Cause I'm trying to make it more organized so that topics dont randomly shift around too much. Its to keep focus on the topic. The team thing is so that people can work on assisting one another on an argument. So the benefits of this thread is to improve on debates/arguments/discussions, team work, etc.

Crusade Debate Team FTW

So far we got a tie between the Nintendo Topic & Music Industry Topic. This is gonna be interesting.

I'm going to try to stay out of this thread....

It'd be unfair for my opponents.

Bring it.

Alright, looks like "Nintendo Struggle With Audience" is the winner.

We will start with that topic.

As you make your statements, be sure to notify if you agree or disagree so I can place you on Team A or Team B.

Here is the question;

"Is Nintendo heading down the path to hell, or can they rebound their current misfortunes?"

I say they have a chance to rebound. Just watch Nintendo Direct form Jan 20 something, there are big plans for new games and improved hardware/software changes. It's a half hour long and Iwata speaks very slowly, but if you saw any of the threads about Wind Waker HD, SMTxFE, etc. then you kinda got a small taste of what they (apparently) have in store.

I'm on team b this time in case that wasn't clear.

They're going to rebound.

Nintendo has depended on first and second-party title franchises for so long and have still made it for thirty years. (Over a Hundred, if you count the years before Video Games)

Now with the added third-party support they're going after, there is no way for them go under.





debate ended

This is quite a complex topic.

I will have to say this.

With the current state of Nintendo, I have my doubts that Nintendo is gonna last if they stick to the same routine they are following now & since the Wii U was released.

For one, when they released the Wii U, they were strongly lacking in "must-have titles". Yes, there is New Super Mario Bros. U, but with very little change in comparison to its prequel, it is viewed as a rehash of the original title to some people. A majority of their 3rd party titles are port versions of games already existing on other consoles not long before Wii U was released. The only 3rd party title that is actually beneficial to the Wii U imo is Zombie U. It showcases the Wii U's potential while being a fresh new game you can't get in another console. I feel that the Wii U has made the same mistake the 3DS made when it first came out. That being the lack of good games on launch day that you can't get elsewhere.

Second, the power of the console has been greatly criticized. For such an upgrade in comparison to the Wii, its only quite equal to the current consoles of the 360 & PS3. Nintendo always seems to be a step or two behind compared to the other consoles when it comes to its power and limitations. By the time PS4 & whatever Xbox is gonna come up with, the Wii U is gonna be outdated since the other consoles will likely be double or more power than what Nintendo offers.

Third, is the issues with the gimmicks. Its great that Nintendo tends to stand out when it comes to the experience of how to play games, but sometimes their uniqueness gets quite ridiculous imo. Plus, the fact that Nintendo makes it obligated for players to play most of their favorite games on these gimmick controllers kinda hurts the fanbase. Many core gamers are too use to the tranditional controllers and don't seem interested in letting that go. Not everyone has the patience to learn to adapt to the gimmick controllers to do something simple as playing a game. On top of that, the pre-mature release of the Wii U only hurts the long-term potentials of the controller. I say this because like the Wii, companies like Playstation & Xbox eventually made their own versions of motion controllers. The Kinect & Move respectfully. Both which out-performed the Wii motion controllers. Its only a matter of time before Sony & Microsoft try to steal the tablet gimmick as well and outdo Nintendo.

So yea, as of Nintendo's current view from the audience, I dont think they will last if it keeps up. So I will make my entry on Team A of this debate.

Anyone have anything they agree or disagree with here?

I am kinda on the fence here because on one hand, I do agree that Nintendo has been behind on the graphics department and has been going downhill ATM, but I feel that they can come back.

Nintendo has always had an emphasis on trying new things with each console iteration. the Wii had motion control as the basis for most of the games, which was something well received. Same goes for the DS; it has multiple iterations that have improved over each new version.

Sure the 3DS didn't have very many good launch titles with the system, but it brought portable 3D gaming to the table and revolutionized the way we look at games. The Wii U has the same principle: taking what the Wii revolutionized and added HD Graphics, A gamepad that is like a tablet and even full on standard dual analog controllers to the already successful console.

What I am trying to get across is that Nintendo will rebound in a really big way. The Xbox and the playstation aren't really innovating that much, just adding better graphics to the next generation. The only reason why Sony and Microsoft made the move and kinect respectively, is because Nintendo innovated first and foremost. The Wii still has a wide appeal to this day because of the controller.

I feel that the reason why Nintendo games sell better than those of Microsoft and Sony is due to the fact that they have effective control schemes that make them more accessible to casual gamers so they sell better. Not only that but the games have a greater emphasis on having fun, rather than doing specific tasks to get trophies or achievement points. That is why their games have a longer lasting appeal. Haven't you played a game before where it is almost impossible to control? that is where Nintendo succeeds; games with great controls that work well.

Nintendo has started a revolution in gaming and they will rebound because they have a strong hold on the casual market and are easily accessible to gamers of all ages and sizes. Once better casual games come out, the Wii U will start gaining momentum.

I have decided to be on Team B, because Nintendo can and will rise from the ashes.

Spoiler:

Now for something on topic, I think Nintendo has the capability to rebound. It's unlikely that it will ever truly fall, if only because it still has and always will have the classics that gamers will be time and time again. Those being Mario, Legend of Zelda, Pokemon, Metroid etc.

Perfecthell4 wrote:

Spoiler:

Now for something on topic, I think Nintendo has the capability to rebound. It's unlikely that it will ever truly fall, if only because it still has and always will have the classics that gamers will be time and time again. Those being Mario, Legend of Zelda, Pokemon, Metroid etc.

it's not just because they have the classics, it's because they know how to continue their franchises without rehashing the exact same shit year round. the highest acclaimed games in their best-selling franchises were usually released over a decade after the first (ocarina of time, metroid prime, etc)

You don't seem to get my point, do you?

GAMEfreak329 wrote:

You don't seem to get my point, do you?

You're point could not have been more clear. It was a blatant statement. PS and Xbox aren't innovating, just providing better graphics. This is completely false, and I showed exactly why. The innovation lies in the new hardware scheme, which will allow far better game development than ever before by making the console easier for game development studios. The Wii U may have switched to a new controller that, at first glance, would clearly promote more cross-platforms coming to the system. However, it won't be successful as many developers will see that PC, Xbox and Playstation all have the same scheme and will be easy to port their games between, while the Wii U will need a huge effort by comparison and so many game developers are likely to exclude the system from their games. You'll see it start happening once the next gen of Microsoft and Sony arrive. The only way this could possibly prove untrue is if Microsoft doesn't follow Playstation in this new direction, but that is extremely unlikely. So no, it is you who missed the point.

Ahh i see, my bad there