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PostSubject: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:34 pm

SSBC Official Stage Roster (7/14/12)

Underlined stages indicate stages that are currently playable and WILL NOT BE REMOVED.

All the series stages ABOVE the "Red Line" indicate what has already been discussed and confirmed.

Smash series
1. Battlefield
2. Final Destination
3. The Beginning (SSB 64 Intro Stage)

Mario series
4. Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario Bros.)
5. Princess Peach’s Castle (Super Mario 64)
6. Good Egg Galaxy (Super Mario Galaxy)
7. Luigi’s Mansion (Luigi’s Mansion)
8. Airship Armada (Super Mario Bros. 3)
9. Waluigi Pinball (Mario Kart DS)
10. Forest Maze (Super Mario RPG: Legend Of The Seven Stars)

Donkey Kong series
11. Kongo Jungle [64] (Donkey Kong Country)
12. Bramble Blast (Donkey Kong Country 2)
13. Crystal Caverns (Donkey Kong 64)
14. Foggy Fumes (Donkey Kong Country Returns)

Yoshi series
15. Yoshi's Island SNES (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island)
16. Baby Bowser's Bedroom (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island)

Wario series
17. Rice Beach (Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3)
18. Club Sugar (WarioWare, Inc.)


The Legend Of Zelda series
19. Hyrule Castle [64] (LOZ: Ocarina of Time)
20. The Great Sea (LOZ: The Wind Waker)
21. Ocarina Medley (LOZ: Ocarina of Time)
22. Palace of Twilight (LOZ: Twilight Princess)
23. Palace of Winds (LOZ: Four Swords Adventures)
24. Tal Tal Heights (LOZ: Link's Awakening)

Metroid series
25. Planet Zebes [64] (Super Metroid)
26. Brinstar Depths (Super Metroid)
27. Phazon Mines (Metroid Prime)
28. Main Sector (Metroid: Other M)
29. Chozo Ruins (Metroid Prime)

Kirby series
30. Vegetable Valley (Kirby’s Adventure)
31. Battleship Halberd (Kirby Super Star)
32. Fountain of Dreams [Melee] (Kirby’s Adventure)
33. City Trial (Kirby Air Ride)
34. Dark Star (Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards)

Star Fox series
35. Asteroid Field (Star Fox)
36. Great Fox (Star Fox 64)
37. Krazoa Palace (Star Fox Adventures)
38. Sargasso Space Station (Star Fox Assault)

Pokemon series
39. Kanto: Saffron City (Pokemon Red/Blue)
40. Johto: Burned Tower (Pokemon Gold/Silver)
41. Hoenn: Mirage Tower (Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire)
42. Sinnoh: Distortion World (Pokemon Diamond/Pearl)
43. Unova: Victory Road (Pokemon Black/White)
44. Pokemon Colosseum (Pokemon Colosseum)
45. Poke Floats 2 [Melee]

F-Zero series
46. Mute City (F-Zero)
47. Big Blue (F-Zero)
48. Casino Palace (F-Zero GX)

Mother/Earthbound series
49. Magicant (Mother 1)
50. Fourside [Melee] (Mother 2/EarthBound)
51. Tazmilly (Mother 3)

Fire Emblem series
52. Castle Siege [Brawl] (Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance)
53. Talys (Fire Emblem 1)
54. Dragon's Gate (Fire Emblem 7)
55. Mercenary Fort (Fire Emblem 11)

Ice Climbers series
56. Mountain Base (Ice Climbers)

Game & Watch series
57. Flat Zone 3 (Game & Watch)
58. Man Hole (Game & Watch Gallery)

Kid Icarus series
59. Skyworld [Brawl] (Kid Icarus)
60. Underworld/Hades' Belly (Kid Icarus: Uprising)

Gyromite/Stack Up series
61. Gyromite (Gyromite)

Mach Rider series
62. Second Sector (Mach Rider)

Duck Hunt series
63. Duck Hunt (Duck Hunt)

Balloon Fight series
64. Balloon Fight (Balloon Fight)

Punch-Out series
65. World Circuit (Punch-Out!!)


Excitebike series
66. Excitebike Course (Excitebike)

Pikmin series
67. Awakening Wood (Pikmin 2)
68. *Pikmin 3 stage (future discussion)

Golden Sun series
69. Mt. Aleph (Golden Sun)

Tetris series
70. Tetris (Tetris)

Metal Slug series
71. Villeneuve Mt. System: Middle-Son 1999 (Metal Slug)

Q-Bert series
72. Q-Bert (Q-Bert)


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Metal Gear series
62. Shadow Moses Island (Metal Gear Solid)

Sonic the Hedgehog series
63. Green Hill Zone (Sonic the Hedgehog)
64. Chemical Plant Zone (Sonic the Hedgehog 2)
65. Ice Cap Zone (Sonic the Hedgehog 3)

Ristar series
58. Planet Flora (Ristar)

Megaman series
66. Cut Man’s Arena (Mega Man)

Street Fighter series
67. Sukazu Castle (Super Street Fighter II)

Dragon Ball series
66. Planet Namek (Dragon Ball Z)

55. Clock Tower (Castlevania: Symphony of the Night)

60. New Junk City (Earthworm Jim)

62. Pac-Man

65. Villa Auditore (Assassin's Creed II)



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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:07 pm

UDATED POLL RESULTS AS OF 4/17/12 FOR: Smash 64 Intro Stage (also nicknamed "The Beginning" by our community)

Stage Video (fast forward to 0:20)
Stage Picture

Current Deadline is April 19th, 2012. It May Get An Extended Deadline Depending On Activity On The Topic.

Since this is only 1 stage, there will be No Numbered Poll. Instead, we will just answer with YES or NO. You are more than welcome to provide reasons why you support it or against it. If You Support It, you are also open to discuss what song or background if anything. Very Happy

13 votes for YES

1 votes for NO

Notice: Not sure if RoyMaster's vote is directly against it or not. So I left his vote count out until I get a direct answer Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:41 pm

Considering we are having 2 discussions.
Yes on Intro Desk

And I Can easily Think of a few Stages for kirby

A Whispy Woods Stage is a MUST
Fountain of Dreams was an important Stage in game
Amazing Mirror - This Stage would Randomly Change troughout the battle, adding water onthe sides or Icey Slopes this whole time your battling a madjition is randomly appearing to attack you.
Mt. DeDeDe


I am also a hard Core kirby fanand there is enough unique envurments for there tobe 5-6 stages.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:02 pm

I honestly dont know why we even discussing the Kirby series at this point. But, if you guys just want to confirm The Beginning (the Smash 64 Intro Desk) now and just move on with Kirby its up to you guys.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:13 pm

Just do So SK Its Quicker we do so because everyone is for it and discussing Kirby...
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:38 pm

Yeah, let's get Kirby out of the way...


Though, for when we get to Pokemon... I think we'll need to impose some special things to the poll. Mainly so we don't end up with a bunch from one gen. We should probably go one per gen at the most... I'm just worried that we'll have something like Unown Ruins and Burned Tower both winning...
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:25 pm

For when we get to Pokemon, IMO we should have one stage for every generation, then one or two representing the side game franchises like Mystery Dungeon, Ranger, Puzzle League, Pinball, Trozei, Stadium/Colosseum/Gale of Darkness/Battle Revolution, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:51 pm

I vote yes to the SSB64 Intro.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:53 pm

I only think Kirby needs five stages. (I mean it has 5 reps now one for each character is fine in my opinion).

So this is what I think should happen.

Vegetable Valley MUST to be turned into Butter Buildings. It makes no sense for Mr. Shine and Mr. Bright to terrorize an area they've never been to.

Halberd is pretty good for now, props to Doc for getting that done.

A stage GY and I came up with is City Trial from Kirby Air Ride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR6UciCB8OA
The stage would work like Delfino Plaza, You start off on the dome above the City, later a large compact star would come to the fighters and carry them to another area. Here are the ones I have come up with so far.
Floating Dome, Whispy's Woods, The City, Rural Grounds, The Volcanos, The Lounge, and The Sea Castle.
During the game Events might occur. (Ex. Dyna Blade attacks the Rural Grounds / The Gas Station bursts into flames at the Lounge / etc.)

Another Stage idea is the Lor Starcutter from Kirby's Return to Dreamland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usoHTUdzRgk
However details for this stage have yet to been made. (I personally feel that this stage isn't needed but it's only a suggestion)

Another stage would be the Dark Star from Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hMu0jf8vO4
The main deal with this stage is that 02 will appear from time to time to attack players.


This way we have Kirby's Classics (Vegetable Valley and Halberd), a Kirby Spinoff (City Trial), Kirby's place in today's games (Lor Starcutter), and a stage for Gooey too! (Dark Star)

Eh?

EDIT: Also I think it's alright to say that "The Beginning" is accepted by pretty much everybody.


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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:10 am

I dont normally do this but I guess with the amount of agreements for "The Beginning" 64 Intro stage and lack of objections. I guess we can confirm this stage now.

Since the Kirby topic is hot at the moment, lets get to this series then. But guys, please manage to stay on topic please. And as usual, we will start with the Numbered Poll. Will give it 3 days from today, which means deadline is Saturday.

1 votes for 3 stages

1 votes for 4 stages

5 votes for 5 stages

4 votes for 6 stages

Casting my Numberd Kirby Stage Vote now and I will have to say 4. Even though Kirby is pretty popular in many regards, I feel that Crusade kinda overepped the series with 2 new Kirby reps with the addition of playable DLC. So I pick 4 to somewhat balance the reps.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:14 am

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Casting my Numberd Kirby Stage Vote now and I will have to say 4. Even though Kirby is pretty popular in many regards, I feel that Crusade kinda overepped the series with 2 new Kirby reps with the addition of playable DLC. So I pick 4 to somewhat balance the reps.
Actually, I agree with this statement.

I change my vote from 5 Stages to 4 Stages.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:05 am

I'll vote for 5 stages.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:59 am

While I agree Kirby is overrepped as far as characters go, we can't just ignore it when talking about the number of stages. Kirby is one of Nintendo's biggest franchises, even though the sales don't say it. It isn't up there with Zelda and Pokemon (Both of which should get 6+ stages imo), but it should get 5.



And as for preliminary suggestions, I think we should have:
1 from Adventure
1 from Super Star
1 from 64
1 from Air Ride / Spinoffs
1 from Return / DL3 / Other
I don't know what would be best for 64 and the last one, but we need City Trial.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:26 am

I'd vote for 4 stages, but that option is going to lose, so 5 stages.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:38 am

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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:50 pm

Five stages for Kirbay. Proportionately, It's less than Zelda and more than Metroid. That's where it fits in my opinion. I think we should have.

Vegetable Valley (KA)
Halberd (KSS/KSSU)
Something from KDL or KDL2. (I'd say Castle Lololo, Float islands, Big Forest, or Grass Land.)
Something from K64 (Dark star, definately. Dark matter is too big to the series not to get a character or stage.)
Aaaaand something from KRtDL or another from KA. If we were to have another KA stage, It should be Fountain of Dreams or Butter Building, but if we were to have a KRtDL stage, I would suggest the water world if we don't have Float islands, or Egg Engines.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:33 pm

5 stages.

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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:31 pm

UPDATE ON KIRBY NUMBERED STAGE POLL as of 4/18/12 @ 5:31PM

Since the Kirby topic is hot at the moment, lets get to this series then. But guys, please manage to stay on topic please. And as usual, we will start with the Numbered Poll. Will give it 3 days from today, which means deadline is Saturday.

0 votes for 3 stages

2 votes for 4 stages

9 votes for 5 stages

4 votes for 6 stages

Casting my Numberd Kirby Stage Vote now and I will have to say 4. Even though Kirby is pretty popular in many regards, I feel that Crusade kinda overepped the series with 2 new Kirby reps with the addition of playable DLC. So I pick 4 to somewhat balance the reps.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:19 pm

Assuming 5, and assuming we can't remove Veggie or Halberd... my votes go to:

- City Trial: Main area from Kirby Air Ride, it has so much potential... the perfect stage. Would serve as Dedede's home stage.

- Rock Star: We don't have a desert stage. At all. So why not this? Can serve as Gooey's home stage, throwing in some dark matter stuff.

- *Insert RtDL stage*: I haven't played this game, but it's the newest one and whatever stage it is will serve as Bandana Dee's home stage. A water world sounds good.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:45 pm

Five stages, I guess.

I'm not really a big Kirby fan at all, but as long as we don't get more castle or grassland stages, I'll be fine.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:58 pm

Anybody else want to add in how many stages they feel the Kirby series should have?
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:47 am

Voting for 5 Kirby stages.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:32 am

5 Wins time to move to what stages.

Fountain of Dreams(King DeDeDe)
Amazing Mirror(Awesome Gimmicks)
Cookie Country(Whispy Woods)
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:03 am

Yeti Dk wrote:
5 Wins time to move to what stages.
I wasn't aware you got promoted to Moderator

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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:30 am

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Yeti Dk wrote:
5 Wins time to move to what stages.
I wasn't aware you got promoted to Moderator

@PH thank you

Yeti, there is a reason why a deadline exist everytime I post a poll update. We discussed a dozen times already -_-

Anyways, anyone else want to contribute a vote for number of Kirby stages? If your reading this but havent vote, your participation would be greatly appreciated
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:50 am

Yeti, you're not running stage roster discussion. At this point, SK is. Votes end when he sets them to. We've seen how drastically the numbers can change within a couple of days.

Next time you push for something to end early, we'll have to infract you.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:06 am

Yeti Dk wrote:
5 Wins time to move to what stages.

Fountain of Dreams(King DeDeDe)
Amazing Mirror(Awesome Gimmicks)
Cookie Country(Whispy Woods)
Just want to make a comment on the stages you want.

Fountian of Dreams, as important as it is, is nothing more than a Battlefield remade with little to no gimmicks. We have enough plain stages at it is.

Amazing Mirror is already in Flash 2, I think it would be best if we tried to stay away from similarities with Flash 2 in general. Also just saying "awesome gimmicks" doesn't help your cause at all. What are these "awesome gimmicks" anyways?

Don't tell me you want Cookie Country just because it could represent Whispy. City Trial can already do that and so much more. Also of we were to have a stage from RtDL it would probably be the Lor Starcutter, but that is just my opinion.


Also due to lack of support I'll move my vote from 4 to 5 Stages for the Kirby franchise.


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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:21 pm

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Fountian of Dreams, as important as it is, is nothing more than a Battlefield remade with little to no gimmicks. We have enough plain stages at it is. 4 of 5 neutral stages in competitive Melee are BF clones, and it works very well. FoD was my favorite of the 4 anyway. There's nothing wrong with a BF clone, it's one of the best possible stage layouts. Not to mention that it did have some significant differences. It's much smaller, the side platforms move, the blastlines are closer in with the exception of the floor, which is much lower

Amazing Mirror is already in Flash 2, I think it would be best if we tried to stay away from similarities with Flash 2 in general. Also just saying "awesome gimmicks" doesn't help your cause at all. What are these "awesome gimmicks" anyways? This and any other arguments pertaining to SSF2 are completely invalid. Did that logic stop the addition of Planet Namek? What about Goku or Megaman? We rep based on what deserves to be repped, not what SSF2 repped. Of course there are going to be cross-overs between the two games, because there are some obvious choices for representation. I'm not a Kirby player and so can't comment on Amazing Mirror itself, just that your argument against it is not a valid argument against anything that will ever be considered for Crusade

Don't tell me you want Cookie Country just because it could represent Whispy. City Trail can already do that and so much more. Also of we were to have a stage from RtDL it would probably be the Lor Starcutter, but that is just my opinion.


Also due to lack of support I'll move my vote from 4 to 5 Stages for the Kirby franchise.

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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:00 pm

UPDATE ON KIRBY NUMBERED STAGE POLL as of 4/19/12 @ 5:58PM

Since the Kirby topic is hot at the moment, lets get to this series then. But guys, please manage to stay on topic please. And as usual, we will start with the Numbered Poll. Will give it 3 days, which means deadline is Saturday.

0 votes for 3 stages

1 votes for 4 stages

12 votes for 5 stages

4 votes for 6 stages

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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 2)   Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:48 pm

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Fountian of Dreams, as important as it is, is nothing more than a Battlefield remade with little to no gimmicks. We have enough plain stages at it is. 4 of 5 neutral stages in competitive Melee are BF clones, and it works very well. FoD was my favorite of the 4 anyway. There's nothing wrong with a BF clone, it's one of the best possible stage layouts. Not to mention that it did have some significant differences. It's much smaller, the side platforms move, the blastlines are closer in with the exception of the floor, which is much lower
I understand what you're saying, but with Vegetable Valley already in, there isn't need for another Kirby's Adventure / Nightmare in Dreamland stage. But Fountain of Dreams was my favorite of the bunch too.

Amazing Mirror is already in Flash 2, I think it would be best if we tried to stay away from similarities with Flash 2 in general. Also just saying "awesome gimmicks" doesn't help your cause at all. What are these "awesome gimmicks" anyways? This and any other arguments pertaining to SSF2 are completely invalid. Did that logic stop the addition of Planet Namek? What about Goku or Megaman? We rep based on what deserves to be repped, not what SSF2 repped. Of course there are going to be cross-overs between the two games, because there are some obvious choices for representation. I'm not a Kirby player and so can't comment on Amazing Mirror itself, just that your argument against it is not a valid argument against anything that will ever be considered for Crusade
The reason to why I stated this is that I personally don't think we should have too many things similar to their project. Despite the fact that they don't care it's the fans that care. If we're making a seperate project we should have seperate content. Like I said, I doubt that they care that we chose to add Goku and Mega Man because they're both popular characters. It would make sense to add them into the game because of that. Don't get me wrong, I loved Amazing Mirror, but I think it would be best to have something other then a stage from it.

Don't tell me you want Cookie Country just because it could represent Whispy. City Trail can already do that and so much more. Also of we were to have a stage from RtDL it would probably be the Lor Starcutter, but that is just my opinion.


Also due to lack of support I'll move my vote from 4 to 5 Stages for the Kirby franchise.
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