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SSBC Official Stage Roster (4/30/12)

Underlined stages indicate stages that are currently playable and WILL NOT BE REMOVED.

All the series stages ABOVE the "Red Line" indicate what has already been discussed and confirmed.

Smash series
1. Smash Universe: Battlefield
2. Smash Universe: Final Destination
3. Smash Universe: The Beginning (Smash 64 Intro Stage)

Mario series
4. Mushroom Kingdom: Kingdom I – Super Mario Bros.
5. Mushroom Kingdom: Princess Peach’s Castle – Super Mario 64
6. Center of the Universe: Good Egg Galaxy – Super Mario Galaxy 2
7. Mushroom Kingdom: Luigi’s Mansion – Luigi’s Mansion
8. Mushroom Kingdom Skies: Airship Armada - Super Mario Brothers 3
9. Flower Cup: Waluigi Pinball - Mario Kart DS
10. Mushroom Kingdom: Forest Maze - Super Mario RPG: Legend Of The Seven Stars

Donkey Kong series
11. DK Isle: Kongo Jungle (64) – Donkey Kong Country
12. DK Isle: Bramble Blast – Donkey Kong Country 2
13. DK Isle: Crystal Caverns - Donkey Kong 64
14. DK Isle: Foggy Fumes - Donkey Kong Country Returns

Yoshi series
15. Yoshi's Island [SNES]
16. Yoshi's Island: Baby Bowser's Bedroom -

Wario series
17. Rice Beach – Wario Land
18. Diamond City: Club Sugar - WarioWare


Legend Of Zelda series
19. Hyrule Kingdom: Hyrule Castle (64) - LOZ: Ocarina of Time
20. Ocean Above Hyrule: The Great Sea - LOZ: The Wind Waker
21. Hyrule Kingdom: Ocarina Medley - LOZ: Ocarina of Time
22. Twilight Realm: Palace of Twilight - LOZ: Twilight Princess
23. Skies of Hyrule: Palace of Winds - LOZ: Minish Cap
24. Koholint Island: Tal Tal Heights - LOZ: Link's Awakening


Metroid series
25. Planet Zebes (64) – Super Metroid
26. Brinstar: Brinstar Depths - Super Metroid
27. Phazon Mines – Metroid Prime
28. The Bottle Ship: Main Sector - Metroid: Other M

Kirby series
29. Dream Land: Vegetable Valley – Kirby’s Adventure
30. Dream Land: Battleship Halberd – Kirby Superstar
31. Fountain of Dreams (Melee) – Kirby’s Adventure
32. City Trial - Kirby's Air Ride
33. Dark Star - Kirby 64

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31. Lylat System: Asteroid Field – Star Fox
32. Corneria (Melee) – Star Fox 64

33. Kanto: Pokemon Stadium – Pokemon
34. Saffron City (64) – Pokemon Red and Blue

35. F-Zero Grand Prix: Mute City – F-Zero X
36. F-Zero Grand Prix: Big Blue – F-Zero X

37. Eagleland: Onett (Melee) – Mother 2: Earthbound
38. Eagleland: Fourside (Melee) – Mother 2: Earthbound
39. Nowhere Islands: New Pork City – Mother 3

40. Great Continent: Akaneia – Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon
41. --Castle Siege (Brawl) – Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

42. Underworld – Kid Icarus

43. The Ring – Punch Out!!

44. Kyoto: Excitebike Course – Excitebike

45. Game & Watch Gallery: Man Hole – Game and Watch

46. Duck Hunt – Duck Hunt

47. Mobius: Green Hill Zone – Sonic the Hedgehog
48. Mobius: Chemical Plant Zone – Sonic the Hedgehog 2
49. Mobius: Ice Cap Zone – Sonic the Hedgehog 3

50. Shadow Moses Island – Metal Gear Solid

51. Transylvania: Clock Tower – Castlevania

52. Cut Man’s Arena – Mega Man

53. South Asia: Sukazu Castle – Street Fighter IV

54. The Valdi System: Planet Flora – Ristar

55. Villeneuve Mt. System: Middle-Son 1999 - Metal Slug

56. New Junk City – Earthworm Jim

57. Gyromite - Gyromite

58. Pac-Man – Pac-Man

59. Q-Bert - Q-Bert

60. Tetris - Tetris

61. Planet Namek - Dragon Ball Z


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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1)   Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1) EmptySun Oct 02, 2011 1:17 pm

I don't see a reason why Devil's Forest is better than Fire Field.
Imagine Fire Field,Explosions,racing car die sudently,lava on the road.
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HOLY...NINE MARIO STAGES?
*faints*
There are WAY too many classic stages there. What we already have is probably pushing it.

Three Mushroom Kingdoms? NO.
Rainbow Road: No.
Bowser's Castle: Not mandatory.
Mine Cart Madness: There are better Donkey Kong stages.
Bramble Blast: No.
No new Yoshi stages: No.
Tallon IV: Keep this, it had to do with unlocking Dark Samus.
Halberd & Fountain of Dreams: No.
Patch Land: No, there are better Kirby stages.
Fichina: Unnecessary.
Pokemon Stadium: Let's have Pokemon Stadium III, plz.
Mute City: New foreground ASAP.
All three Earthbound stages: We don't need three Earthbound stages, let alone three veteran ones. Threed? Tazmily?
The Ring: Needs uniqueness, doesn't sound too unique.
No Balloon Fighter Stage: Fail.
Death Egg Zone: I'd say to put this in instead of Ice Cap, but that's already in the game.
Shadow Moses Island: change to brawl version plz.
Clock tower: Dracula's stairway would be best.
Beautiful Bay: Ryu's home stage is much better.
Pulseman's Stage: as I'm pretty sure we won't have him in, no need.
New Junk City: I still don't feel Earthworm Jim is needed.
The Kombat Zone: No.

Honestly, it'd be easier to give judgement if the character roster was finalized.
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...Generic, Bramble Blast is ALREADY IN.
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Mushroom Kingdoms I, II, and III would be respectively from Mario 1, 2, and 3. Of course, I think it should just be Dinosaur World (think Delfino Plaza except around Dinosaur World) and Doomship.

I said Zoness if we had another Star Fox stage. Phantom wanted Fichinia...who knows why.

The Ring, from Punch-Out!! Doc would be in the background, giving advice to the players (voices from Wii game) and maybe a boxer would be in the background, trying to fight the players?

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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1)   Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1) EmptySun Oct 02, 2011 1:36 pm

Actually, I just came up with a really interesting Katina stage based on Star Fox 64's Katina. Basically you're fighting in the desert (walk-off stage and all that), it has a base in the middle, and every once in a while a UFO will appear and either release enemy aircraft or fire a massive laser at the center of the stage.

I think a couple Sonic stages might have to be removed. 4 is more than we need, IMO.
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Excalibur wrote:
...Generic, Bramble Blast is ALREADY IN.
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*facepalm*
I got it confused with Rumble Falls somehow....Bleh.

Dr.MarioX wrote:
Mushroom Kingdoms I, II, and III would be respectively from Mario 1, 2, and 3. Of course, I think it should just be Dinosaur World (think Delfino Plaza except around Dinosaur World) and Doomship.
Mario Bros. 2 already has a signature stage, but we don't need it. And as for MKIII, SSF2 already has it.

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I said Zoness if we had another Star Fox stage. Phantom wanted Fichinia...who knows why.
IMO we don't need three StarFox stages. That's really all that I feel.
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The Ring, from Punch-Out!! Doc would be in the background, giving advice to the players (voices from Wii game) and maybe a boxer would be in the background, trying to fight the players?
Mm, maybe. I'm mostly just worried about the foreground, as we don't know anything about it...
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1)   Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1) EmptySun Oct 02, 2011 1:37 pm

Overall I think this needs some MAJOR revamping. Like, every series in the roster should get at least one stage imo. Then add other stages like an extra Mario stage or whatever.
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Dettadeus wrote:
Actually, I just came up with a really interesting Katina stage based on Star Fox 64's Katina. Basically you're fighting in the desert (walk-off stage and all that), it has a base in the middle, and every once in a while a UFO will appear and either release enemy aircraft or fire a massive laser at the center of the stage.

I think a couple Sonic stages might have to be removed. 4 is more than we need, IMO.

I think Katina might be too obscure. I agree about Sonic stages though.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1)   Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1) EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 12:21 am

Wait,
If Mario get 9 Stages,Then Pokemon,as the second most popular Nintendo game,need at least 6-7.
TLoZ only needs Skyloft and I'm happy.

Dettadeus wrote:
I think a couple Sonic stages might have to be removed. 4 is more than we need, IMO.

3 are enough.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1)   Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1) EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 4:12 am

I don't think EVERY series should be repped- some series don't have any worthy stage possibilities (Tomato Adventure, Mach Rider).

I think the Excitebike stage would be cool- fighting on the track while Excitebikers would race around.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1)   Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1) EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 1:10 pm

Obviously some series could be skipped (like Mach Rider and R.O.B. (though Det might want to incorporate his Gyromite stage)). However, a majority of series in the roster should get at least one stage. I did the math, and if every series had one stage and including Final Destination & Battlefield, it'd be about 40 or so, allowing some series to get another stage, and possibly add some stages for series not repped with characters in the roster (like Smashville in Brawl).
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1)   Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1) EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 1:14 pm

I think supporting characters should not have their own stage. Characters like Waluigi, Gooey, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1)   Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1) EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 1:19 pm

Those characters aren't their own series. >_>


I do plan on implementing a Gyromite stage, since there wasn't one in Brawl and they simply used the Mario Bros stage as his home stage.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1)   Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1) EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 1:21 pm

Dettadeus wrote:
Those characters aren't their own series. >_>

My point exactly. Which is why I said supporting characters. :p
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1)   Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1) EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 1:23 pm

StayPuft was saying that each SERIES should get its own stage. Then you said characters like Waluigi and Gooey shouldn't get their own stages because they are supporting characters. Sense this does not make. @_@
Waluigi and Gooey are parts of other series, not parts of their own. Especially Gooey.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1)   Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1) EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 1:40 pm

Let me take that back and make it more clear what Im trying to say.

The point Im trying to make is this. For example, lets say we decide to throw in 2 Mario stages since its a big series. We add Peach's Castle & Mushroom Kingdom to represent as stages for the series as a whole. Giving Luigi a stage of his own like his Mansion is Ok since he has his own spin off series. Waluigi in the other hand should not be given a stage of his own, like Waluigi Pinball stage. Reason cause he is a minor/supporting character to the Mario series and we would already have the 2 stages I mentioned before to rep the series. Pretty much, extra reps having their own stages is not necessary unless we only have 1 stage for that series or if it deserves more stages than it already has.


But yea, I agree give R.O.B. his own stage.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1)   Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1) EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 1:41 pm

If Haggar's on the Roster, then Metro City should be a stage.

EDIT: As for Waluigi, he needs Waluigi Pinball. No exceptions.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1)   Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1) EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 1:44 pm

IMO, if any of the 3 newcomer Mario characters were to get a stage of their own last, I would say Waluigi. Toad & Bowser Jr have more importance to the series than Waluigi.
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What could Toad be possibly given for a stage that Peach can't?
Same with Jr. for Bowser.

Waluigi represents an entirely different genre from the rest, and thus should get his own stage. Waluigi Pinball has been featured not only in Mario Kart (and Brawl, as a song), but has also been featured in Mario Sports Mix.
Also: GIANT. ROBOT. WALUIGI. THAT. BARFS. GIANT. PINBALLS.


EDIT: I should be more clear. What could Toad be given for a stage that he could call his own? Something from SMB2? Mario, Luigi, and Peach also represent that. Wario's Woods? It's got WARIO in the title. NSMBW? Again, Mario and Luigi. Other than spin-off options (Which Waluigi is the representative of), Toad's got nothing. He's better off sponging off of Mario, Luigi, or Peach.

As for Jr., he'd be better off sharing a stage with Papa.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1)   Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1) EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 2:17 pm

From that list, i have a finished Yoshi Island 64 a finished Saffron City (GIANT Resolution)and a finished Shadow Moses Island (Brawl version)

Also, no dreamland 64 o-o?
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1)   Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1) EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 2:20 pm

GoldenYuiitusin wrote:
What could Toad be possibly given for a stage that Peach can't?
Same with Jr. for Bowser.

Waluigi represents an entirely different genre from the rest, and thus should get his own stage. Waluigi Pinball has been featured not only in Mario Kart (and Brawl, as a song), but has also been featured in Mario Sports Mix.
Also: GIANT. ROBOT. WALUIGI. THAT. BARFS. GIANT. PINBALLS.


EDIT: I should be more clear. What could Toad be given for a stage that he could call his own? Something from SMB2? Mario, Luigi, and Peach also represent that. Wario's Woods? It's got WARIO in the title. NSMBW? Again, Mario and Luigi. Other than spin-off options (Which Waluigi is the representative of), Toad's got nothing. He's better off sponging off of Mario, Luigi, or Peach.

As for Jr., he'd be better off sharing a stage with Papa.

I must say, I have to agree with your statement. But depending how many Mario stages we plan to have, I dont think Waluigi's Pinball stage is a must needed choice. Not saying no to it, but it wouldn't be my first 2-3 choices of Mario stages.

My top 3 Mario stages

Peach's Castle or Egg Galaxy(or whatever its called)
Mushroom Kingdom (Smash 64 version was the best)
Bowser's Castle (with Bowser's Road from Super Mario 64 as the song)
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GoldenYuiitusin wrote:
Wario's Woods? It's got WARIO in the title.

I'm not saying that Toad should get his own stage (he shouldn't), but that is a pretty lame reason. Name shouldn't have anything to do with it, Toad is the star of the game, anyone who has played it knows that. It's kinda like Donkey Kong, where Mario was the hero, not Donkey Kong.

Sorry, but it kinda bugged me.
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StayPuft wrote:
It's kinda like Donkey Kong, where Mario was the hero, not Donkey Kong.
Yet 25m is a Donkey Kong stage.
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StayPuft wrote:
It's kinda like Donkey Kong, where Mario was the hero, not Donkey Kong.
Yet 75m is a Donkey Kong stage.
Maybe because the game was called, "Donkey Kong"?
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It's listed as one in Brawl, but it's still considered a Mario game (iirc). Or maybe not. WHO KNOWS. But Mario is still the hero.
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PostSubject: Re: Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1)   Crusade Stage Roster Discussion (Part 1) EmptyMon Oct 03, 2011 3:05 pm

On the Waluigi Pinball Idea, it's great because it would be the Mario Kart Rep.

Also, on the Earthbound franchise. I think we should really scrap Fourside for Snowman, or something from the Original MOTHER; Snowman maybe?
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Again. Why scrap something that is finished. is stupid.

And the original mother was crap. The only thing that makes it "good" is the nostalgia factor. Mother 2 and 3 are better and they deserve to be first on the list.

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StayPuft wrote:
It's listed as one in Brawl, but it's still considered a Mario game (iirc). Or maybe not. WHO KNOWS. But Mario is still the hero.
Nope. First official Mario title was Mario Bros. for the Arcade (which also got a stage in Brawl).
Donkey Kong was, SURPRISE! A Donkey Kong title. Hence why there's sequels (Donkey Kong Jr. and Donkey Kong 3). DK3 was the first Donkey Kong game that didn't have Jumpman (as Mario was known as at the time).

I've noticed though, that none of the mainstream DK games have the original Donkey Kong (Cranky) as a hero. It's always been DK Jr. (the DK we know now) or someone else.

Donkey Kong-DK Sr. was the villain. Jumpman was the hero.
Donkey Kong Jr.-DK Jr. was the hero. DK Sr. was the one "in distress". Jumpman was the villain.
Donkey Kong 3-DK Sr. was the villain again. Stan the Bug Man was the hero.
Donkey Kong GB (Actually a different game. Also explained how Mario came to the Mushroom Kingdom)-DK Sr. was once again the villain, Jumpman is the hero again (now as Mario).
Donkey Kong Country-DK Jr. is now grown up and is the hero (as simply DK) along with new character Diddy Kong. DK Sr. is now named Cranky Kong, and is a helper character.
Donkey Kong Country 2-DK is in distress and Diddy has to save him along with new Dixie Kong. Cranky is a helper again.
Donkey Kong Country 3-DK AND Diddy are in distress, so Dixie has to save both with the help of new Kiddy Kong. Cranky is a helper.
Donkey Kong 64-DK as well as Diddy are heroes, with 3 new Kongs: Tiny, Lanky, and Chunky. Cranky is yet again, a helper.
Donkey Kong Country Returns-DK is back in the hero role, along with Diddy. Cranky is a helper again.

Standings on heroic roles:
Donkey Kong Sr./Cranky Kong-0
Jumpman/Mario-2
Donkey Kong Jr./Donkey Kong-4
Diddy Kong-4
Dixie Kong-2
Kiddy Kong-1
Tiny, Lanky, and Chunky-1
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Just popping in to say that scrapping completed stages will be a complete waste of time and effort so I'm not scrapping anything already programmed.
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