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Jexulus
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PostSubject: Your ideal Johto and Hoenn reps?   Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:42 pm

It's kinda funny, really.  Of every single official Smash game and fangame I've ever seen, I don't recall seeing a 3rd Gen Pokemon playable at all.  I've seen a few people irritated that the Pokemon in Smash don't properly represent every generation, but I never really see what Pokemon they want to see specifically.  Gen 1 is covered, naturally, and Gen 4 and Gen 6 have Lucario and Greninja, who are more or less the de facto mascots of their respective regions.  And of course, Crusade has Snivy for Gen 5.

That leaves Gens 2 and 3.  Technically, Gen 2 already has a rep in Pichu, but not only is it a pre-evolution of a Pokemon already in Smash, it's more or less a clone (I can't speak for Pichu's Crusade incarnation since I haven't gotten around to him yet).  I am personally not satisfied with it in terms of representing his generation, but I'm sure others are, and that's fine.

So who would you like to see?  I'm not going into detail here since this post is long already,  but I'd love to see Scizor and Ludicolo.
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PostSubject: Re: Your ideal Johto and Hoenn reps?   Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:49 pm

Viable Gen 2 Pokemon
-Typhlosion - Popular
-Scizor - Popular
-Slowking - Important in one of the Movies
-Marill - Popular. Also the Pikablu thing or whatever
-Suicune - Mascot of Pokemon Crystal

Viable Gen 3 Pokemon
Sceptile - All 3 Starting Types (Doesn't count for Crusade)
Grovyle - Pokemon Mystery Dungeon
Gardevoir - Popular
Rayquaza - Was going to be in Crusade at some point. Also mascot of Pokemon Emerald

I have no real ideal reps, but that's what I've seen talked about the most.
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PostSubject: Re: Your ideal Johto and Hoenn reps?   Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:03 pm

Gen 2:
Feraligator
-Reps water-types
-Heavy attacks, decent mobility
Hitmontop
-Reps fighting-types
-Balanced offense and defense, fast mobility, long-range attacks

Gen 3:
Blaziken
-Reps fire- and fighting-types
Absol
-Reps dark-types
I don't know enough about Gen 3 Pokemon to say what I think they'd play like in Crusade, but these are definitely what I'd want to see added.
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PostSubject: Re: Your ideal Johto and Hoenn reps?   Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:02 pm

While I don't really know which Pokemon would work for the 3rd generation, I do know the story of why Pichu is the 2nd Gen. rep (and yes, he is still very similar to his Melee incarnation, with Pikachu being more similar to his Project M version).

From what I recall, Sakurai wanted to have the (then new) 2nd Generation to be represented in Melee, but there were no good/popular candidates (at the time at least). During discussions, someone mentioned that they could use Pichu, which was initially shut down due to Pichu being a weaker Pikachu. However, it was later decided to introduce Pichu for the simplicity of adding him in. This actually makes Pichu the very first clone character introduced in Melee (not counting Luigi due to him being somewhat de-cloned).
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PostSubject: Re: Your ideal Johto and Hoenn reps?   Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:20 am

For me, I think the most viable options would include:

Gen 2:
-Typhlosion
-Scizor
-Heracross (maybe?)

Gen 3:
-Blaziken (definitely)
-Grovyle or Sceptile


And that's all I got bounce
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PostSubject: Re: Your ideal Johto and Hoenn reps?   Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:16 pm

Gen 2
-Scizor
-Heracross

Gen 3
Gardevoir
Sceptile
Aggron
Blaziken
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PostSubject: Re: Your ideal Johto and Hoenn reps?   Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:21 am

Responding to the OP, I'd just like to mention that Pichu is reworked a bit in Crusade, so it's not really a clone. It has new moves in Endure and Flail with its specials, the latter of which allows Pichu to use its gimmick (damaging itself) against opponents as it gains immense power the more damaged Pichu is.

As for other Generation reps, the only one I'd personally really like to see for Gen 3 is a Gen 3 Pokémon Trainer with Mudkip, Grovyle, and Blaziken. Only other one I'd think would work well would be Gardevoir.

As for Gen 2, I'm not sure. While there are some popular Pokémon, I'm not sure if I'd say any of them are amazing enough to be brought into Crusade. Some of the ones I'd mention have already been mentioned in this thread, so Idunno.
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PostSubject: Re: Your ideal Johto and Hoenn reps?   Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:03 pm

SP wrote:
Responding to the OP, I'd just like to mention that Pichu is reworked a bit in Crusade, so it's not really a clone. It has new moves in Endure and Flail with its specials, the latter of which allows Pichu to use its gimmick (damaging itself) against opponents as it gains immense power the more damaged Pichu is.

As for other Generation reps, the only one I'd personally really like to see for Gen 3 is a Gen 3 Pokémon Trainer with Mudkip, Grovyle, and Blaziken. Only other one I'd think would work well would be Gardevoir.

As for Gen 2, I'm not sure. While there are some popular Pokémon, I'm not sure if I'd say any of them are amazing enough to be brought into Crusade. Some of the ones I'd mention have already been mentioned in this thread, so Idunno.
1. Ah, I see.
2. I'm in that minority of people that was glad to see transformations removed in Smash 4. It worked in Melee because only Zelda/Sheik had it and the transformations were instantaneous due to the smaller disc size. When Brawl expanded on it, the transformations halted the fight because they took a good five seconds (or at least, they felt like it). The fluidity from Melee was gone, so it invalidated the strategy of transforming to fit particular situations because that opportunity is gone by the time you finish changing. It was best to only stick with one character; thus, the gimmick only ended up taking away from the character because they lacked a down special.

I see no benefit to having transforming characters, basically.

3. Considering both Mewtwo and Lucario have Scizor alts in Crusade, and that Scizor was a Pokeball Pokemon in Melee, Scizor appears to be the most logical Gen 2 choice in my eyes.

I personally want to see Ludicolo because he could swag around the stage as a novel dancing fighter.

And so Miror B. can say things randomly during his taunt and win animations in a Doc Lewis-esque cameo appearance. Obviously the best reason to include any character.
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PostSubject: Re: Your ideal Johto and Hoenn reps?   Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:11 pm

gen 2
slowking
heracross
houndoom
miltank
celebi

gen 3
sceptile
mawile
blaziken
breloom
flygon
gardenvoir
plusle and minium
dexoys
jirachi
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PostSubject: Re: Your ideal Johto and Hoenn reps?   Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:30 am

I'd vote for Scizor and Sceptile

Even though,Sceptile couldn't be too original considering that we already have Snivy
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