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PostSubject: Heihachi Mishima (Tekken) Discussion: Iron Fist King   Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:01 pm

Seriously, nobody's made a new Heihachi thread yet? Sigh...well, looks like it's up to me.

Who is Heihachi Mishima?

Heihachi Mishima is one of the main characters of the "Tekken" series of fighting games, also known as the best-selling fighting game franchise of all time (with Tekken 2 being the single best-selling fighting game to date). Initially serving as the series' main antagonist, Heihachi's role swaps regularly from that of the main host and villain to a contender in the King of Iron Fist Tournaments which are held in each game. If one doesn't count the original Arcade release of Tekken 1 (boss only), he (alongside Nina Williams, Yoshimitsu, and Paul Phoenix, fun fact) is one of the only characters to be playable in every single Tekken game (and is a controllable character in every game regardless, by the AI or otherwise).

Why Heihachi? Why not, say, Kazuya or Jin instead?
Heihachi is one of the most important characters in the Tekken series and, while arguably second only to Jin and/or Kazuya, they, unlike Heihachi, have not appeared in every game in the series. While not a Nintendo character who doesn't regularly appear on any Nintendo consoles, Heihachi's relevance and popularity still make him a very valid choice (even Sakurai considered him from Smash 4, as I'm sure many of you know). But, for what it's worth Heihachi has appeared in Tekken Advance for the GBA and Tekken Tag Tournament 2 for the Wii U. In addition, he tends to represent Tekken in crossovers (Playstation All-Stars, Soul Calibur 2).

Okay then, on to the important thing. How would he fight?
This is just a disclaimer: I've heard there's been talk of how Heihachi would play in the past, but I don't know anything about that (and couldn't find it) so I made this moveset from scratch, based only on his moveset from Tekken. Feel free to make suggestions, since this is all theoretical. Also, I've never played PSASBR, so if there are any ideas from that game that would work well, let me know (I notice a lot of similarities between that game's Heihachi and mine, at least, from footage).

If you've played Tekken, then you should know that, when it comes to comboing, juggles are the name of the game - hit your opponent with a good launcher, then unleash several attacks before they can hit the ground. I believe Heihachi should reflect this in his moveset to some extent.
As for Heihachi himself, his moveset here is characterized by powerful punishers, good mixups, great hitstun, and a myriad of options up-close, meaning his playstyle is high on pressure and very aggressive, able to dish out high damage in no time and score kills rather easily. Additionally, a few of Heihachi's grounded moves can meteor, which will bounce his opponent off of the ground low enough for follow-ups if they do not tech (in Tekken 6 and Tag 2, this was called a "bound" state) and may KO if his foes are off-stage. However, Heihachi will need to get in particularly close to get anything going with his limited range, and his moves, while strong and high in combo potential, are easily punished if predicted. Also, his aerials are lackluster, much better at juggling from the ground (much like in Tekken)

Moveset (in spoilers, because it's LONG):
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That moveset took a couple hours of research to figure out, so I hope all of you who bother to read it will like at least most of it =S

Supporters:
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(On a random note, the formatting of this thread was inspired mostly by this thread's formatting, because it's so good)


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PostSubject: Re: Heihachi Mishima (Tekken) Discussion: Iron Fist King   Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:04 pm

Support. He definitely deserves to be in. However, I'd prefer his younger look over his old look.

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PostSubject: Re: Heihachi Mishima (Tekken) Discussion: Iron Fist King   Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:06 pm

lol I didn't even consider that. Just found the easiest image of him on Google images and he happened to be old in it =p
To be honest though, I don't really mind either way as long as he gets like, a grey hair/black hair color swap, heh.
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PostSubject: Re: Heihachi Mishima (Tekken) Discussion: Iron Fist King   Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:14 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Heihachi Mishima (Tekken) Discussion: Iron Fist King   Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:59 pm

Support, I really would like to see him in this game
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PostSubject: Re: Heihachi Mishima (Tekken) Discussion: Iron Fist King   Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:32 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Heihachi Mishima (Tekken) Discussion: Iron Fist King   Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:28 pm

support, like tekken heihachi is my secondary choose in that game
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PostSubject: Re: Heihachi Mishima (Tekken) Discussion: Iron Fist King   Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:35 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Heihachi Mishima (Tekken) Discussion: Iron Fist King   Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:12 am

Idea.
Since Smash Crusade uses color seperation on most characters, how about we just give Heihachi a good enough color seperation so you could have both Old Heihachi and Young Heihachi?
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PostSubject: Re: Heihachi Mishima (Tekken) Discussion: Iron Fist King   Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:16 am

TrinitroMan wrote:
Idea.
Since Smash Crusade uses color seperation on most characters, how about we just give Heihachi a good enough color seperation so you could have both Old Heihachi and Young Heihachi?
Young and Old are different face-wise and hair-wise. Doesn't make sense and I don't see how we could do that.
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PostSubject: Re: Heihachi Mishima (Tekken) Discussion: Iron Fist King   Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:29 am

Honestly it's hard to say which version of him should be in...on one hand, "young" Heihachi is how he first appeared before the huge time gap between Tekken 2 and 3 (and for some reason he's young in Tag 2, so he's young in 3 Tekken games, not counting PSASBR), but old Heihachi is definitely more well-known and is, for all intents and purposes, his "default" look nowadays (he's old in Tekken 3, Tag, 4, 5, 6, and 7...that's a lot more Tekken games, not even counting Soul Calibur 2 and SFxT). Since he's more than recognizable either way, I have no real preference; but, I'd lean toward the old version of him simply because it's how he usually looks.

If Crusade does ever somehow get alt costumes then he should definitely have one, but otherwise I suppose a gray/black hair color swap would have to do for whichever version isn't default.
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PostSubject: Re: Heihachi Mishima (Tekken) Discussion: Iron Fist King   Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:41 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Heihachi Mishima (Tekken) Discussion: Iron Fist King   Sun May 01, 2016 2:57 pm

Bump: added a supporter list, made the moveset slightly easier to read, and added one taunt because I can't think of more that aren't generic.
Also, bump because I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on the moveset itself (or if nothing else, at least which Final Smash you think is better).
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PostSubject: Re: Heihachi Mishima (Tekken) Discussion: Iron Fist King   Sun May 01, 2016 3:19 pm

Lego Shaq wrote:
TrinitroMan wrote:
Idea.
Since Smash Crusade uses color seperation on most characters, how about we just give Heihachi a good enough color seperation so you could have both Old Heihachi and Young Heihachi?
Young and Old are different face-wise and hair-wise. Doesn't make sense and I don't see how we could do that.
Snake has an "Old Snake" pallet, so it isn't out of the question that an "Old" pallet swap shouldn't be in.

As for support, I don't see any reason he shouldn't be in (other than the fact that he doesn't appear regularly on Nintendo AND was in PSASBR), and there for, have my SUPPORT
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PostSubject: Re: Heihachi Mishima (Tekken) Discussion: Iron Fist King   Sun May 01, 2016 5:02 pm

wheeled_tank wrote:
Lego Shaq wrote:
TrinitroMan wrote:
Idea.
Since Smash Crusade uses color seperation on most characters, how about we just give Heihachi a good enough color seperation so you could have both Old Heihachi and Young Heihachi?
Young and Old are different face-wise and hair-wise. Doesn't make sense and I don't see how we could do that.
Snake has an "Old Snake" pallet, so it isn't out of the question that an "Old" pallet swap shouldn't be in.

As for support, I don't see any reason he shouldn't be in (other than the fact that he doesn't appear regularly on Nintendo AND was in PSASBR), and there for, have my SUPPORT
Except Old Snake is just different colors, sprite-wise. Old Heihachi is different physically, different hair, different face...I don't know why Old Snake's palette matters.

...Oh, I just got what you were saying. An old palette would make sense.
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PostSubject: Re: Heihachi Mishima (Tekken) Discussion: Iron Fist King   Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:26 am

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PostSubject: Re: Heihachi Mishima (Tekken) Discussion: Iron Fist King   Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:57 pm

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