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PostSubject: Oshawott (Pokemon) Discussion: Oshawott Surfs Up!   Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:51 am


Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuTRRK8rEqg

First Appearance: Pokemon Black & White
Latest Appearance: Pokemon Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire / Super Smash Bros. for Wii U

Oshawott, the sea otter Pokemon would make an amazing addition to Super Smash Bros. Crusade! He would make use of his scalchop (the shell on his belly), and his other water type abilities. Oshawott is a fan favorite Pokemon to many, and is probably the most picked generation five starter Pokemon.

But, what makes him stand out from Squirtle or Greninja?
One of Oshawott's most recognizable moves is Razor Shell, where he cuts with his scalchop! This would be the first Pokemon in Smash bros to fight with a "weapon" so to speak. I also incorporated the moves Focus Energy and Revenge into his moveset, something never done before in a Smash game.

We already have Snivy as a fifth gen Pokemon.
That is no reason to count Oshawott out.

But... What about Tepig?
I will be making a moveset for Tepig in the future. His moveset and playstyle could be highly influenced by the move Heat Crash.

We will have too many Pokemon reps, eventually.
There is no limit to the amount of Pokemon reps in Crusade. At least, I haven't seen it stated anywhere.

Without further ado, onto the character statistics and moveset! I tried to cite the origins of each move as best as possible, and I did not include ledge or get-up attacks.

-STATS-

Height: Short
Weight: Light-Medium
Speed: As Fast as Snivy
# of Jumps: Two
Grapple/Tether: No

-SPECIALS-

Neutral Special (Razor Shell) [13%]
On Land: https://youtu.be/aDD9caYYYvc?t=235
Oshawott runs forward as you hold down B, and when released, Oshawott attacks.
In Air: https://youtu.be/3KGl5gUSXkA?t=41 (Yes, I know that's Dewott & I know the attack missed.)
Oshawott dives downward at a 60 degree angle and strikes on his way down.
Will meteor smash anyone at the right angle.

Side Special (Surf) [1%,1%,2%,2%]
Source: https://youtu.be/IM-Hb9vGPeI?t=172
A multi-hit attack that pushes the opponent very far if caught in front or inside.
Can be cancelled at any time by jumping, and can also be used to recover back to the stage.

Down Special (Focus Energy) [N/A]
Source: https://youtu.be/7Gps70g_A_Y?t=563
Can be used up to 25 times to increase percent given from a special move or smash attack by 2%.
When KO'd or you use a smash attack/special move, the amount of added percent resets.
The larger the yellow aura around Oshawott each time Focus Energy is used acts as the indicator
of how many times percent has been increased.

Up Special (Razor Shell & Aqua Jet) [15%above,4%below]
Source: https://youtu.be/Fabz2h9l3Lk?t=118
Oshawott boosts into the sky at any chosen direction similar to Fox's up special, but is much quicker.
Has a small hitbox above Oshawott, and a long hitbox below him.


-GROUND ATTACKS-

Jab (Razor Shell) [2%,1%,5%]
Source:https://youtu.be/V3VzaKXepW0?t=454
A simple three hit jab with Oshawott's scalchop. Comes out fairly quick.

Dash Attack (Tackle) [8%]
Source: https://youtu.be/NM2F0zHiJmE?t=5
Oshawott jumps forward headbutting the opponent.

Side Tilt (Razor Shell) [7%]
Oshawott thrusts his scalchop in front of him.

Down Tilt (Tail Whip) [6%]
Oshawott swipes his tail below him.

Up Tilt (Water Pulse) [13%]
Sources: https://youtu.be/2hiz2AFbRAw?t=38 & https://youtu.be/tzB848EZ1lw?t=150
Similar to Rosalina's up tilt in Smash 4 but has a bigger hitbox, is much slower, and is blue.
Although, it is also a very good KO move.


-AERIALS-

Neutral Air (Water Sport) [9%]
Source: https://youtu.be/sVFMxvW4Ngk?t=195
Oshawott sprays water around him as he spins around.

Forward Air (Scald) [7%]
Sources: https://youtu.be/1we4h0h4hXM?t=234 & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEQlswjXr04
Oshawott pushes his hands out in front of him and steams up to spray scalding water.
Does 2% burn damage to the opponent 50% of the time.
Oshawott will gain momentum the opposite direction he is facing.

Back Air (Scald) [5%]
Sources: https://youtu.be/1we4h0h4hXM?t=234 & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEQlswjXr04
Oshawott pushes his feet out behind him and steams up to spray scalding water.
Does 2% burn damage to the opponent 50% of the time.
Oshawott will gain momentum the direction he is facing.

Down Air (Aqua Tail) [14%]
Source: https://youtu.be/tzB848EZ1lw?t=205
Oshawott flings his tail below him.
Has extremely short range but will meteor smash if opponent is hit.

Up Air (Water Pulse) [13%]
Source: https://youtu.be/Go4RNjcuMnA?t=13 & https://youtu.be/tzB848EZ1lw?t=150
Similar to Rosalina's up tilt in Smash 4 but has a bigger hitbox, is much slower, and is blue.
Although, it is also a very good KO move.


-SMASH ATTACKS-

Forward Smash (Hydro Pump) [21%]
Source: https://youtu.be/tzB848EZ1lw?t=368
Can be charged for ten seconds. The longer it is charged, the farther it will go.
The max distance is the entirety of final destination, and the minimum is directly in front of Oshawott.
Has a giant amount of lag if charged for long.

Down Smash (Revenge & Waterfall) [1.5x multiplier,min25%]
Sources: https://youtu.be/1we4h0h4hXM?t=234 & https://youtu.be/xbDzWKfX0hc?t=308
Oshawott tenses his entire body and releases a giant waterfall.
Deals no damage normally, is very slow, and acts as a counter.
Oshawott will skyrocket vertically when the counter is landed.
The amount of seconds the attack is charged, is how many times the
percent of the opponent's move is reflected back onto them.
(On a side note, when Revenge is fully charged and is combined with maximum Focus Energy,
this move would be a one hit KO at 0%. However, in a real match this would be very difficult to perform.)

Up Smash (Water Pledge) [18%]
Source: https://youtu.be/ephJPiCx4LU?t=147
Sprays water around Oshawott in a very tall radius.


-GRABS/THROWS-

Pummel (Fury Cutter) [1%,2%,4%,8%,etc.]
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7IgAvWkIp8
A relatively fast pummel that cuts the opponent at 1% at first, doubling each time pummeled.

Forward Throw (Water Gun) [10%]
Source: https://youtu.be/tzB848EZ1lw?t=47
Oshawott pushes the opponent in front of him and uses water gun.

Back Throw (Razor Shell) [12%]
Source: https://youtu.be/TxQ6yKeEGzk?t=56
Oshawott throws the opponent behind him, then tosses his scalchop like a boomerang at them.
A good kill throw at high percents.

Down Throw (Blizzard) [3%]
Souce: https://youtu.be/jiiTYtjcmYc?t=280
Oshawott throws the opponent beneath him and uses blizzard to freeze them.
Sends opponent directly upwards when frozen, but if they DI well, they will be sent in another direction.
Does little percent, but can combo afterwards when opponent is frozen.

-TAUNT-

Up Taunt (Razor Shell)
Oshawott smiles and tosses his scalchop in the air,
he catches it and puts it back on his belly.


I really hope you all enjoyed this moveset I made. It took a lot of time and effort, and was a ton of fun to make. If you have any ideas on how Oshawott could be changed for the better, or if you have any constructive criticism, I would love to hear it. Thank you for viewing!

EDIT (9/18/2016): Edited some things regarding "Revenge" in the moveset. Also, bump for new members.[/b]

Supporters:
Lego Shaq
VultureDuck
Mario123311
eris27100
Athorment
davi_taborda
TheRedBeast


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PostSubject: Re: Oshawott (Pokemon) Discussion: Oshawott Surfs Up!   Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:31 am

haha boy thas the 3rd time someone's borrowed my character thread template

But for real, please make more threads, this is one of the most quality and concise threads I've seen yet for a character.

Oshawott's my personal favorite Gen 5 starter. And your moveset...an air counter? I've never heard of that before, and I really like it. I like how a lot of his moves are focused on momentum as well.

The Down Special is very unique and Surf is cool too. The grabs are pretty cool and accurate to Oshawott's character.

As always though, the reasoning. The reasoning isn't too good, but not too bad. It's not unfair to only have Snivy; it's continuing the trend of one starter per generation. I feel that him being a Water type is, at least not right now, not a problem because neither Squirtle nor Greninja are currently in Crusade. "What about Tepig" isn't really a valid complaint but it's good you included it.

Overall? Just this once, I'm going to support. While I don't feel we need another Gen 5 starter, the moveset you gave us and how unique he could be has tided me over.

So, support.
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PostSubject: Re: Oshawott (Pokemon) Discussion: Oshawott Surfs Up!   Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:32 am

This is very interesting, the only problem is having two 5th gen pokemon would lose some variety.

Other than that, support.
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PostSubject: Re: Oshawott (Pokemon) Discussion: Oshawott Surfs Up!   Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:04 pm

I support... Though personally? I would like Piplup more. ; w ;
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PostSubject: Re: Oshawott (Pokemon) Discussion: Oshawott Surfs Up!   Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:41 pm

Though I feel Snivy is hurting his chances I still will support
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PostSubject: Re: Oshawott (Pokemon) Discussion: Oshawott Surfs Up!   Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:53 pm

I like the moveset... I want to support, but I feel like the character itself isn't a good pick. We already have Snivy as the gen 5 rep (even though I don't like Snivy). The scallop itself is only used in Jab, Ftilt, Bthrow, and neutral special (sort of up special, but that'd be very similar either way), so perhaps another water starter could fit instead (Mudkip could be fairly unique as well, and Piplup is popular).

I don't mind the number of Pokemon (Considering how big it is, it should get a lot of reps), but again, I'm not sure Oshawott is a good pick.
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PostSubject: Re: Oshawott (Pokemon) Discussion: Oshawott Surfs Up!   Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:07 pm

(The scalchop is also used in neutral special)

btw thanks for the support everyone! I appreciate it. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Oshawott (Pokemon) Discussion: Oshawott Surfs Up!   Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:58 pm

:0 You know, just today i was talking with a friend about what it would be like to see a new pokemon starter on smash context and we chose Dewott because it's status as a middle evolution could compliment well the fact we have squirtle (Brawl) and Greninja (Sm4sh). xD

No reason why an Oshawott and Dewott thread can't coexist, so i may work on that later.
For now, I support but i want to mention a few tweaks/Suggestions i would like to see made to the OP's moveset:

1) I have never linked "Charging" gimmicks to 1st evolution/Baby pokemon. While the concept works, I don't feel it fits Oshawott.
2) "Down Tilt: Oshawott swipes his tail below him." What tail though? LOL. With crusade's spriting & camera work i don't think this move would have any range at all.
"Down Air: Has extremely short range but will meteor smash if opponent is hit" Oh, so this is acknowledged then... still, if it's so short... while should it even have a meteor/Spike effect at all?
3) Up Tilt and Up Air sound functional, but are copied straight from Rosie. They just have different stats. I would make it so that instead of appearing above oshawott like rosalina's, that it actually appears from his feet and circles around him on it's way up, giving it a Marth Up Smash effect where at the bottom it lifts the opponent up to get a second hit on the top.
4) F-Air, B-Air and D-Smash sound cool with their "Counter" effect... but you know what this means in terms of balancing, right? It means a cool down period when the counter misses in order to make "Countering" the counter is possible. This means that you are locking a character to not use 3 moves at all when going on the offensive and, while it will most likely reckt those who go all out and attack. It just feels a bit unnecessary to put them as normal moves, specially when you can Just put it on the Down B and allow people to choose a direction for their scalding water similar to greninja's and call it a day.
Make it a legit Counter on Down B or allow players to access such moves regardless of if they get hit to activate them.
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PostSubject: Re: Oshawott (Pokemon) Discussion: Oshawott Surfs Up!   Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:43 pm

Athorment wrote:
:0 You know, just today i was talking with a friend about what it would be like to see a new pokemon starter on smash context and we chose Dewott because it's status as a middle evolution could compliment well the fact we have squirtle (Brawl) and Greninja (Sm4sh). xD

No reason why an Oshawott and Dewott thread can't coexist, so i may work on that later.
For now, I support but i want to mention a few tweaks/Suggestions i would like to see made to the OP's moveset:

1) I have never linked "Charging" gimmicks to 1st evolution/Baby pokemon. While the concept works, I don't feel it fits Oshawott.
2) "Down Tilt: Oshawott swipes his tail below him." What tail though? LOL. With crusade's spriting & camera work i don't think this move would have any range at all.
"Down Air: Has extremely short range but will meteor smash if opponent is hit" Oh, so this is acknowledged then... still, if it's so short... while should it even have a meteor/Spike effect at all?
3) Up Tilt and Up Air sound functional, but are copied straight from Rosie. They just have different stats. I would make it so that instead of appearing above oshawott like rosalina's, that it actually appears from his feet and circles around him on it's way up, giving it a Marth Up Smash effect where at the bottom it lifts the opponent up to get a second hit on the top.
4) F-Air, B-Air and D-Smash sound cool with their "Counter" effect... but you know what this means in terms of balancing, right? It means a cool down period when the counter misses in order to make "Countering" the counter is possible. This means that you are locking a character to not use 3 moves at all when going on the offensive and, while it will most likely reckt those who go all out and attack. It just feels a bit unnecessary to put them as normal moves, specially when you can Just put it on the Down B and allow people to choose a direction for their scalding water similar to greninja's and call it a day.
Make it a legit Counter on Down B or allow players to access such moves regardless of if they get hit to activate them.

You know, before making this thread I was actually debating whether to use Dewott or Oshawott, but in the longrun I ended up using Oshawott.
Time for some responses!

1) Personally, I think it really fits his personality if you're basing it off the anime. But I see where you're coming from.
2) No, it would not have much range.
3) My bad, I meant Rosa's up tilt and up airs would look similar to when the move was finishing. If the entire attack just looked like Rosa's... That would just be really strange to see Oshawott doing.
4) I thought the whole counter locking thing was a given, since every character with a counter has that. I really wanted to differentiate Oshawott from Greninja if he is ever added to Crusade, so that's why I used the aerial counters thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Oshawott (Pokemon) Discussion: Oshawott Surfs Up!   Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:28 pm

Sean_McMuffin wrote:
I really wanted to differentiate Oshawott from Greninja if he is ever added to Crusade, so that's why I used the aerial counters thing.

Under that logic, it might be more interesting for greninja to actually have the aerial counters since he does have a counter in sm4sh and is, well.. a ninja. "Fidelity" to his smash moveset could be a thing though...

So going on the assumption that Oshawott has such... idk, i would have to see that in motion. That many counters can make or break oshawott, plus ignoring the counter and making F-Air and B-Air still shoot the water would give him amazing air mobility
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PostSubject: Re: Oshawott (Pokemon) Discussion: Oshawott Surfs Up!   Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:13 pm

i support
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PostSubject: Re: Oshawott (Pokemon) Discussion: Oshawott Surfs Up!   Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:13 pm

i support
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PostSubject: Re: Oshawott (Pokemon) Discussion: Oshawott Surfs Up!   Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:23 am

Bump for new users!

Edited the thread a bit as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Oshawott (Pokemon) Discussion: Oshawott Surfs Up!   Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:32 pm

i support i always pick oshawott in pokemon black and white
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