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PostSubject: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:53 pm

Discuss whether or not you think Charizard should be added to Super Smash Bros. Crusade.
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:57 am

Yes, it should! Very Happy

Do you make Charizard uses its Brawl moveset or its moveset in Smash 4?
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:21 am

Both movesets are more or less the same, though.
However, I did made a moveset for Charizard that is a variation of his Smash 4 moveset:
TrinitroMan wrote:

Introduction + reasoning as to why to include him:
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Moveset:
Special ability: multiple air-jumps
Side Smash: Heat Wave (Charizard's Side B from Project M)
Up Smash: Fire Punch (Charizard's TM48 move, Charizard does an uppercut-like motion)
Down Smash: Earthquake (same like in Smash 4)
Neutral B: Flamethrower (same like in Smash 4)
Side B: Flare Blitz (same like in Smash 4)
Up B: Fly (same like in Smash 4)
Down B: Rock Smash (same like in Smash 4)
Final Smash: Fire Blast (trying to avoid using Mega-Evolutions)

Final Smash: Fire Blast
This one gets its own point, because I need to explain that in a further detail.
Basically, Charizard spit out a big fireball, and after a short distance, it explodes into a big version of that one kanji that Fire Blast is so well known for:
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Oh look, it's even Red's Charizard, who is performing that in this picture.
Basically, that Kanji would phase through absolutely everything and stay in place for a while, dealing damage to anyone, who touches it (but not to those who avoid it).
The starting fireball goes through walls as well, so in maze-like stages like Hyrule Temple, Fire Blast can create some additional mind games.
Four people supported my original thread (which is where I introduced my moveset idea), so at least some people like my ideas.
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:31 am

@TrinitroMan - Nice moveset you made. And that's a nice Final Smash you've figured.

But why not make Charizard turns into Mega Charizard X instead?
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:33 am

Because Crusade is trying to pretend that the trainwreck called POKéMON X/Y doesn't exist in the first place, and I tried to replicate that.
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:35 am

Well, it decided.

Use Fire Blast!
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:02 am

Don't listen to Trinitro, Tetriser, I'm fairly sure the devs have no problem at all with X/Y.

Regardless, I recall hearing Mega Evolutions weren't good for a Final Smash to fit the current theme of Final Smashes Pokemon-wise, so it can't be that anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Sat Jan 09, 2016 9:25 am

Support for Lizardon! o/

I would prefer if the Fire punch is instead his front air animation. Would make it slightly different from bowser's that way xD Plus Up Smash wing attack has good coverage.
If he has Sm4sh speed though it might be good to get his Project M Down B for better combo follow ups. Don't know if this would be feaseable since that would most likely mean a different Down B when performed in the air (or a weaker version of it?). Alternatively, i could see the original "FLy" Up B being moved to Down B. No hitbox and great length when grounded, the strong twirly thing when performed in the air. Which gives Charizard room for some sort of Glide (or any other move if people want to avoid gliding)

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Those "More deserving ones" will get votes regardless of circumstances, so i suggest supporting who you want in regardless of popularity

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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:29 pm

I support.
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:41 pm

Sounds good to me!
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:19 pm

Support!

However, about Final Smash for him, which one do you prefer: Fire Blast, or Mega-Charizard X?
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:52 pm

For Crusade? Fire Blast simply because every other POKéMON from Smash 4 returning in Crusade doesn't keep their Mega Evolution.
And besides, didn't the devs said something about not wanting to have too many transformation Final Smashes or something?
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:13 am

I'd like to see him. Support to Charizard/Lizardon.
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:24 am

absolute yes, charizard provides a great dynamic as a heavy multi-jump character & is an all around fine addition to smash, especially when not bogged down by pokemon trainer's atrophy mechanic
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:01 pm

TrinitroMan wrote:
For Crusade? Fire Blast simply because every other POKéMON from Smash 4 returning in Crusade doesn't keep their Mega Evolution.
And besides, didn't the devs said something about not wanting to have too many transformation Final Smashes or something?

I know I'm late but I just saw this
Why can't you understand that things are subject to change?
Nobody said that as far as I know, either.
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:21 pm

TrinitroMan wrote:
For Crusade? Fire Blast simply because every other POKéMON from Smash 4 returning in Crusade doesn't keep their Mega Evolution.
And besides, didn't the devs said something about not wanting to have too many transformation Final Smashes or something?

Or, how about transforming in their Mega Evolutions only for executing the Final Smash?
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:02 am

i will support charizad y can do it...and his attack we are similar to brawl o 4?
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:24 am

support for the fire lizard.
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:21 am

Support.
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:25 pm

Charizard mega evolves into Mega Charizard X and preforms Fire Blast, problem solved
Also support
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:36 am

I support Charizard coming, but assuming Charizard will have the same fallspeed, it needs a buff to its air game
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I suggest a hover for Charizard thats similar to Pokken and could be activated after a midair jump/ up-b and doesn't punish you too much for canceling it while having a slightly faster descent than other glides
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:40 am

Hit1 wrote:
I suggest a hover for Charizard thats similar to Pokken and could be activated after a midair jump
So like Peach's float?
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:55 am

Yeah but without the helpless state when canceled
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:34 pm

Can he replace Snivy?
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:35 pm

Triforceriku wrote:
Can he replace Snivy?

no

removing characters is a bad idea
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:38 pm

OmegaSteve777 wrote:
Triforceriku wrote:
Can he replace Snivy?

no

removing characters is a bad idea

Yeah, i figured. I'm just gonna jokingly ask this every time someone suggests a pokemon that i see as a better choice than Snivy.

Otherwise, i'd love to see Charizard in Crusade.
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:42 pm

In my opinion yes, it should be in Crusade
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PostSubject: Re: Charizard [Pokémon] Discussion   Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:32 am

I support Charizard for Crusade. If he were to be playable, I think the developers should make him slightly different in move set compared to the Smash 4 version
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