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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:58 pm

I can imagine it now, someone that just downloaded the game and picks Medli and then they see that Makar is also there and then they're like "Since when were these two characters a duo" and then question life as they know it.
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:52 pm

I have no idea why anyone who's actually played Wind Waker would question why these two characters are together. They literally play the exact same role in the game: they both play an instrument, you play them a song, their memories as sages reawaken, you bring them to their respective dungeons, you control each of them briefly to solve puzzles, they both restore power to the Master Sword. You don't get much more similar than that while still being two completely different characters. In fact, knowing where they come from, it's almost weird not seeing Makar in Hyrule Warriors now that Medli's getting in.
As for whether he should be paired with her, I vote yes, as in-game he is every bit as relevant as she is. Medli just has more popularity going for her, which IS reflected in this idea since you primarily control her.

That said, I support this character, but I think her moveset (especially specials) could use some more pizazz. I agree with the proposal that we wait until we can draw more inspiration from Medli's appearance in HW.
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:15 pm

Okay so I have slight change of heart, I'm not entirely for the idea now, but I'm not against it either.

I just still think it's weird
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:35 am

Oh wow, I go away for a while and come back to some decent, albit late, conversation!

I'm suprised at how many of you are actually interested in this idea, I may even re-draw/re-animate her movesets to accommodate for Makar, would you like that?
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:44 am

lightdasher wrote:
Oh wow, I go away for a while and come back to some decent, albit late, conversation!

I'm suprised at how many of you are actually interested in this idea, I may even re-draw/re-animate her movesets to accommodate for Makar, would you like that?
I'm glad you're back. I think we'd all like that, yeah
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:46 am

I'd wait for her Hyrule Warriors debut honestly, it'll give her more canon reference to work from.
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:48 am

Well here's the Neutral B that I never animated with Makar


Before I thought about putting Makar into her moveset, her neutral B originally looked like this



Kzinssie wrote:
I'd wait for her Hyrule Warriors debut honestly, it'll give her more canon reference to work from.

Hyrule Warriors isn't canon to the Zelda Timeline.

...Or canon in general really.


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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:51 am

I mean, sure, but neither is Smash. And it'll be her first playable appearance.
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:58 am

Kzinssie wrote:
I mean, sure, but neither is Smash. And it'll be her first playable appearance.

True, but I'd rather make something unique rather than trying to copy a Musou moveset. If it was Medlis only appearance like Lana then maybe, but I have Windwaker to pull from too! As does Hyrule Warriors really, there was a video previewing some of Medlis moveset, one of her attacks is pretty much what I have her down B as.

Here is said video by the way


EDIT: No actually Medlis first playable appearence was in Windwaker...


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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:56 am

I gotta agree with Knzissie tho, you should wait for Hyrule Warriors to update it. Can't be that far away.
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:10 pm

But I don't want to base my moveset off of Hyrule Warriors, I want to base it off of Windwaker.
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:13 pm

I'm no Zelda expert, but I would assume some of Medli's moves from Hyrule Warriors would be based on things from Wind Waker
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:14 pm

OmegaSteve777 wrote:
I'm no Zelda expert, but I would assume some of Medli's moves from Hyrule Warriors would be based on things from Wind Waker

Exactly, so why can't/shouldn't I do the same thing...?
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:16 pm

Actually you should be doing some sort of mixture if anything. Mostly because if you have things from Wind Waker, you'll probably have things from Hyrule Warriors.

I hope that makes sense.
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:17 pm

OmegaSteve777 wrote:
Actually you should be doing some sort of mixture if anything. Mostly because if you have things from Wind Waker, you'll probably have things from Hyrule Warriors.

I hope that makes sense.

Well I already have the moveset in the first post already animated out, I'm just re-animating them to include Makar and/or improve the quality, even if by a bit.
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:39 pm

lightdasher wrote:
But I don't want to base my moveset off of Hyrule Warriors, I want to base it off of Windwaker.
Seeing Medli's Hyrule Warriors moveset would give you the general flow of what she'd be as a fighter in Smash if that makes sense, if not the moves
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:42 pm

Obviously HW should be a secondary source, but it will likely provide more canon (or official, I guess) reference for how she fights, possibly allowing you to fill in moves you'd otherwise need to make up entirely.
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:23 am

Kzinssie wrote:
Obviously HW should be a secondary source, but it will likely provide more canon (or official, I guess) reference for how she fights, possibly allowing you to fill in moves you'd otherwise need to make up entirely.

They pretty much do this with a lot of characters though, especially characters like the Fire Emblem characters.
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:24 am

Yeah, because there's not good canon material. If there is canon material you should use it, yknow? (I'm using canon and official interchangeably, I know HW isn't canon to the main series)
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:59 am

To be honest I don't know what Hyrule Warriors would do that I haven't already done besides summoning wind tornados (???????)
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:04 am

lightdasher wrote:
To be honest I don't know what Hyrule Warriors would do that I haven't already done besides summoning wind tornados (???????)
You're very stubborn, not a bad thing just something I noticed
That's why we should wait and find out. Maybe Medli gets a new abillity in the game?
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:10 am

Basically yeah. We've seen a few seconds of gameplay footage, who knows what she'll actually have when she comes out.
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:33 am

Well, looking at the Japanese site for updates, it says that we can expect Medli "at least before the end of next month" so we shouldn't have to wait too long I suppose.
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:50 pm

Okay I'm going to make a supporter list on the front page, if you haven't said you're supporting already say now please! I'm going to look through the 2 pages and edit then first post.

EDIT: Not sure if I should add OmegaSteve777 or not, they seem on the fence, for now I'll add a (?) next to their name.
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Fri May 06, 2016 10:33 am

Though the TLoZ is pretty well represented (even more so in crusade), I would like to see more variety in terms of "Who" rather than "Where", and these 2 add both a new character and added representation from the "Toon" section of the game. As an added bonus, the move set seems pretty good as well (They aren't "fighters" after all)
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Edit: And just saw that Medli is going to be in Hyrule Warriors. Wonder what you could pull from there
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Fri May 06, 2016 11:42 am

wheeled_tank wrote:
Though the TLoZ is pretty well represented

I disagree, 2 links, 2 zeldas and ganondorf isn't that well represented in my opinion

wheeled_tank wrote:
(even more so in crusade)

I await Zeldas return.

wheeled_tank wrote:
Edit: And just saw that Medli is going to be in Hyrule Warriors. Wonder what you could pull from there

I wonder that too, I don't think there will be much that isn't already in my moveset, but it might fill in some misc attacks like aerials or tilts.

Also, I was thinking, how many jumps should Medli have? On the first page I wrote down 3 jumps, like charizard, but considering she's a bird that can't fly properly, should she have the same as Pit? Who also cannot fly without aid? (Pit has 4 jumps in total)

Also, I was thinking of having a palette reference Laruto, what do you think?
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Fri May 06, 2016 2:21 pm

I say why not. Might as well represent all of the sages you can.

As for jumps, I think 4 would be better.
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Fri May 06, 2016 3:42 pm

OP updated and I'll put this here!

Spoiler:
 
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun May 08, 2016 6:35 pm

I just looked at the moveset a little, and can I make a suggestion to the Down Tilt? Do you think it would be a psudo-crawl (Character moves forward while performing the attack, thus the character moves forward after the attack), similar to a few Down Tilts in Brawl and the Wii U Version?
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PostSubject: Re: Medli + Makar (Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker)   Sun May 08, 2016 8:08 pm

wheeled_tank wrote:
I just looked at the moveset a little, and can I make a suggestion to the Down Tilt? Do you think it would be a psudo-crawl (Character moves forward while performing the attack, thus the character moves forward after the attack), similar to a few Down Tilts in Brawl and the Wii U Version?

I suppose so, I'm not sure what Medli would gain with something like that in her moveset though.
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