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PostSubject: Metroid Series Poll   Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:50 pm

I've noticed a sparse lack of Metroid reps on the Suggestion Poll save for Anthony Higgs, and Anthony comes from what's regarded as the worst Metroid game out there. Many fans shun that game entirely because of the unbearable-at-times plot, and I can honestly say that I didn't care for it either. Now personally, I'd rather have someone like Dark Samus or Rundas. And Metroid truly does deserve the extra reps; it has sold more than StarFox and Fire Emblem, that much I know for sure, and it's sold more than the two combined last I checked. Metroid is seriously underrated, and while 5 reps counting Zamus is a seemingly large number, it's still not much when you look at Sonic's 4 reps, or Star Fox's 4 reps assuming Wolf eventually comes into the picture.

I'll talk about Dark Samus first. Before anyone says anything about cloniness, I'd like to make it abundantly clear that Dark Samus is only a clone in name and general shape of body. Unlike such clones as Dr. Mario or Toon Link, Dark Samus does not fight, move, sound or behave in a manner remotely similar to Samus, and it barely even looks like her.
It fights with eruptions of energy from the ground forming shields around it. It fights by morphing into a ball, admittedly like Samus, but unlike Samus, it zooms around mach speed in that ball form. It charges up its cannon and fires a spray of bullets. It fires globs of pure Phazon at breakneck speeds. It can hover. It can rise a few feet into the air and dive headfirst into the ground at almost terminal velocity, and survive. It can disperse into Phazon particles and reappear elsewhere. It can make two ghostlike echoes of itself and regenerate while those two fight. Heck, it's the Metroid Prime's essence crammed into a stolen suit of armor that's been heavily modified.
I must kindly ask that anyone who wishes to badmouth Dark Samus as a simple clone does their research before doing so, even if it's only watching the videos of its boss fights, so they can see that Dark Samus is a clone only in name. Moving on, however, I'd like to talk about Rundas next.

This is my personal choice if I only could choose one. Rundas from Prime 3 is a Phrygisian bounty hunter. His race can generate and control ice. He is a little taller and heavier than Samus, and stronger as well, with what I would say are Solid Snake-like stats.
Rundas was a bounty hunter working for the Galactic Federation, who quickly befriended Samus. He prevented a Pirate ship from blasting Samus down, and later saved Samus from going splat during her freefall fight with Ridley in a generator shaft. Later on, he was corrupted by Phazon. Due to Dark Samus' influence further corrupting him, Rundas was forced to attempt to kill Samus, setting up what is quite possibly the most emotionally intense battle in the entire Prime series. Ultimately he used his own ice powers to send an ice spear through himself to stop the corruption.
Naturally, in Crusade, he'd use his ice to fight. His moves would involve his ice attacks, his ice armor, and the ice claws on his hands. Rundas can ride on a stream of ice, reminiscent of Frozone or Iceman, or fire off a strong rocket of ice and freeze whatever it hits. He can conjure up a small spiky wall of ice in front of him. He can send a sort of laser forward and freeze whatever that hits as well. He can also enter Hypermode to charge up his attacks with Phazon.
Rundas is a beloved character among the Metroid fanbase; many Metroid fans cite him as being their choice after the obvious Ridley and Dark Samus. We've already got Ridley in, so that brings us Rundas fans that much closer.

There are other characters that I'd normally like to talk about, but I don't have time to type much else up.

So then, here's the poll. I'm hoping this could be run by voting in posts, not in a poll itself, so people can vote for two reps and no more.
Dark Samus: 5 (Voters: Telara, NightsOwl, CJ, tb1024, LatencyError)
Rundas: 5 (Voters: Telara, Valcrist, HypeConduit, Keven, tb1024)
Sylux: 0 (Voters:)
Keep Anthony Higgs: 1 (Voters: NightsOwl)
Remove Anthony Higgs Only: 1 (Voters: LatencyError)
Remove All Metroid Reps: 4 (Voters: Minerva, Axel, Johnny64, Dry)
Other: 1 (Mother Brain [Kelp-Thing])

(Please state in post who you'd like to vote for)


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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:55 pm

Anthony and Dark Samus Pl0x.
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:59 pm

my vote will go for just Rundas.
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:22 pm

Valcrist wrote:
my vote will go for just Rundas.

Same here.
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:12 pm

HypeConduit wrote:
Valcrist wrote:
my vote will go for just Rundas.

Same here.

Same because I don't know any character in Metroid and this guy looks cool
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:47 am

metroid is represented perfectly with samus and ridley

it isn't a series known for its diverse cast of recognizable characters like mario, pokemon or even fire emblem, it's driven mostly by its gameplay and atmosphere.

a series "deserving" representation shouldn't be based on sales or popularity. it should make sense and be true to the source material. adding more characters for the sake of padding out the roster/filling a nonexistent quota is an irresponsibly poor design choice

and we all know crusade has already suffered through enough poor design choices

also re: "Metroid is seriously underrated": haha oh wow
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:03 am

We totes should have Mother Brain.
Giga can pull it off.
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:46 am

Votes added to OP.
@Kelp-Thing, that could actually be pretty cool assuming you mean MB's big bad final boss form, or her human form from Other M. I'll count it as an other vote under the assumption you're serious Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:55 am

If people want Mother Brain or hell even a regular Metroid i can totally do it lmao
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:10 am

GigaPichu wrote:
If people want Mother Brain or hell even a regular Metroid i can totally do it lmao
You gotta do Giyagis first though Kappa
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:32 am

I vote for no more characters - it's unneeded. If anything they need to focus on having every Smash veteran first IMO. Robin and Lucina and all that crap. Samus, Zamus, and Ridley is enough.
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:06 am

minerva wrote:
metroid is represented perfectly with samus and ridley

it isn't a series known for its diverse cast of recognizable characters like mario, pokemon or even fire emblem, it's driven mostly by its gameplay and atmosphere.

a series "deserving" representation shouldn't be based on sales or popularity. it should make sense and be true to the source material. adding more characters for the sake of padding out the roster/filling a nonexistent quota is an irresponsibly poor design choice

^ This so much. This this this.
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:43 am

Dry wrote:
minerva wrote:
metroid is represented perfectly with samus and ridley

it isn't a series known for its diverse cast of recognizable characters like mario, pokemon or even fire emblem, it's driven mostly by its gameplay and atmosphere.

a series "deserving" representation shouldn't be based on sales or popularity. it should make sense and be true to the source material. adding more characters for the sake of padding out the roster/filling a nonexistent quota is an irresponsibly poor design choice

^ This so much. This this this.
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:36 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:37 pm

minerva wrote:
metroid is represented perfectly with samus and ridley

it isn't a series known for its diverse cast of recognizable characters like mario, pokemon or even fire emblem, it's driven mostly by its gameplay and atmosphere.

a series "deserving" representation shouldn't be based on sales or popularity. it should make sense and be true to the source material. adding more characters for the sake of padding out the roster/filling a nonexistent quota is an irresponsibly poor design choice

and we all know crusade has already suffered through enough poor design choices

also re: "Metroid is seriously underrated": haha oh wow

i love this man
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:49 pm

Alright, putting it the way minerva said, I now agree... Withdraw my vote.
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:12 pm

Fair enough; I can see where you're coming from, Minerva, but as a counterpoint I'd like to point out that Ridley is barely featured at all in the Prime Trilogy, which, alongside Super Metroid, is considered the best Metroid game(s) of all time, and the first Prime makes many 'Top 10 Games Ever' lists. With that in mind, wouldn't one Prime character like Dark Samus be fair to add? Dark Samus is the main villain of the trilogy and is featured far, far more prominently than Ridley. Heck, Ridley wasn't even in Echoes, and he could've been removed from Corruption (And Fusion, looking at the originals) completely without changing the plot any.
Having only Samus and Ridley doesn't fairly rep three of the four most beloved games of the series with that in mind. But that's my personal opinion and if you're dead-set on only repping Zero Mission, Super and to a much lesser extent Fusion and Other M, then that's your opinion as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:10 pm

Telara wrote:
Fair enough; I can see where you're coming from, Minerva, but as a counterpoint I'd like to point out that Ridley is barely featured at all in the Prime Trilogy, which, alongside Super Metroid, is considered the best Metroid game(s) of all time, and the first Prime makes many 'Top 10 Games Ever' lists. With that in mind, wouldn't one Prime character like Dark Samus be fair to add? Dark Samus is the main villain of the trilogy and is featured far, far more prominently than Ridley. Heck, Ridley wasn't even in Echoes, and he could've been removed from Corruption (And Fusion, looking at the originals) completely without changing the plot any.
Having only Samus and Ridley doesn't fairly rep three of the four most beloved games of the series with that in mind. But that's my personal opinion and if you're dead-set on only repping Zero Mission, Super and to a much lesser extent Fusion and Other M, then that's your opinion as well.
add dark samus to the poll or whatever if there's demand for it. I'm not against it by any means.

it's the argument that "we need to add [thing] because, like, it deserves, like, representation, ya know?" I was picking at

people in communities like this need to stop looking at things in quantitative terms and start seeing things realistically. if a suggestion would just create dead weight for the developers, it's probably best not to implement it unless demand is high or it is somehow a necessity.
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:04 pm

I vote for Rundas
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:36 pm

Alright, Rundas vote added.

Dry, Johnny64, C_Mill and StayPuft, I can't tell if you're voting or if you're just agreeing with what Minerva said about not adding reps based on sales/series popularity and nothing else, so I've only added Minerva and Axel.
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:31 pm

I am voting for no more reps, Telara
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:34 pm

I Vote for Dark Samus
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:53 am

Telara, we're clearly all voting for no characters, lol. Why would we vote something different after completely agreeing with minerva's post? Besides, the first line of his post is "metroid is represented perfectly with samus and ridley". If that's not a vote I don't know what is.

As for Ridley, I agree that Metroid's second rep could have gone to either him or Dark Samus, but the argument about representation is a bit confusing for me. Why would you need Dark Samus to rep the Prime series? Samus already does that fine.

The other thing is that Ridley doesn't just rep the Metroid series, he partially reps the SSE. You might have noticed how a lot of Ridley's moves actually come from his appearance as a boss in Brawl. We did that because, c'mon, isn't it awesome to play as a boss from Brawl?
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:19 am

Telara wrote:
Votes added to OP.
@Kelp-Thing, that could actually be pretty cool assuming you mean MB's big bad final boss form, or her human form from Other M. I'll count it as an other vote under the assumption you're serious Razz

No, I mean the "brain in a jar" state with the "brainasaurus rex" state as a Final Smash. If Giga can make Porky work, he can make that work.

Madeline is not Mother Brain. Just an android that gets corrupted by Mother Brain's rogue AI.
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:48 am

Well, Porky worked because Brawl.

Mother Brain would need a LOT of Sakurai'ing Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:38 pm

Kelp-Thing wrote:
Telara wrote:
Votes added to OP.
@Kelp-Thing, that could actually be pretty cool assuming you mean MB's big bad final boss form, or her human form from Other M. I'll count it as an other vote under the assumption you're serious Razz

No, I mean the "brain in a jar" state with the "brainasaurus rex" state as a Final Smash. If Giga can make Porky work, he can make that work.

Madeline is not Mother Brain. Just an android that gets corrupted by Mother Brain's rogue AI.

Yeah, but, like, Porky's spider mech has legs.
How would Mother Brain in the jar even move?
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:47 pm

I'd vote Rundas and Dark Samus.
Rundas is awesome, and Dark Samus works as an alternate form for Samus actually well.
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:19 pm

Dustination wrote:
Kelp-Thing wrote:
Telara wrote:
Votes added to OP.
@Kelp-Thing, that could actually be pretty cool assuming you mean MB's big bad final boss form, or her human form from Other M. I'll count it as an other vote under the assumption you're serious Razz

No, I mean the "brain in a jar" state with the "brainasaurus rex" state as a Final Smash. If Giga can make Porky work, he can make that work.

Madeline is not Mother Brain. Just an android that gets corrupted by Mother Brain's rogue AI.

Yeah, but, like, Porky's spider mech has legs.
How would Mother Brain in the jar even move?
With tank treads ala Captain N. Troll
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:46 pm

Dark Samus and since I have a second vote, remove Anthony Higgs.
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PostSubject: Re: Metroid Series Poll   Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:36 pm

Remove Anthony isn't an option, you vote to remove him by not voting to keep him Razz
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